Super Slotting the Golf Club

[crr]

I gave up on that awhile ago. Definitely way inside then back down still under plane for me.

[bspeck]

According to Jim McLean coming way inside from the takeaway/backswing and coming back into the slot on the downswing is sometimes known as reverse slotting. Its simliar to a full sledge hammer motion. Heeving it back way inside and coming back over into the slot. Anyone ever heard of this term reverse slotting before? Here is his vid on the 3 types of slotting methods below.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E6Mu6Y556s[/youtube]

[MizunoJoe]

@lagpressure

Feel free to post your swing here… we would love to see how you are doing it.

There may be things that are helpful… but the rotation of the forearms through transition needs to happen. A lot of players take steep backswings to help them drop it back in there behind them. Hubert Green and Nick Price come to mind.

What I find fascinating are the guys like Raymond Floyd and George Knudson who take the inside path going back and still slot it great. Inside is often coming back down OTT for most. What this tells me is that if you train your muscles correctly, you will just slot it regardless of the backswing path… and I think this is a far superior method than having to rely upon a momentum based looping action.

Will do as soon as I can get familiar with my new Casio camera and get a good DTL perspective. I’ve found the forearm rotation happens automatically if you get the pivot and hand path correct. What you are describing with Floyd and Knudson is not what I call slotting at all - I call that reverse looping and getting to whatever approach plane you use. Likewise with outside-to-inside loopers. In my def, slotting refers to flatting the shaft from a more vertical angle, so that the shaft comes through impact at the address angle.

You have me very curious about this mysterious manipulation - maybe a clockwise twist of the right hand at the top?

[MizunoJoe]

@bspeck

According to Jim McLean coming way inside from the takeaway/backswing and coming back into the slot on the downswing is sometimes known as reverse slotting. Its simliar to a full sledge hammer motion. Heeving it back way inside and coming back over into the slot. Anyone ever heard of this term reverse slotting before? Here is his vid on the 3 types of slotting methods below.

What he calls reverse slotting is usually called reverse looping. You can plane shift without looping, which requires radical hand paths.

[lagpressure]

Knudson pulled it inside on the takeaway big time. Yet he sure flattened out the shaft through transition.
Just flexing the knees is not going to do this with certainty. Tucking in the right elbow is helpful also, but is not going to
guarantee slotting the club either. I have lots of students working on this and my challenge as an instructor is to teach them this move (for those who dare attempt it) and have offer a very high success rate. The guys that are really grinding out the work are getting results with the SS module work. This is not a quick tip move. This is training the proper muscle groups not only to be able to execute it but to be able to handle it also.

[lagpressure]

If you really want to properly engage the potential of pivot and forearm rotation, you need to figure out a way to slot the club so that it drops behind you.

Anyone suggesting that “it’s all out in front of you” is leaving a lot on the table, both in distance and in accuracy also.
I really couldn’t care less about the look of someone’s backswing. Couldn’t care less. We don’t strike the ball on the backswing.

What we do need to do on the backswing is turn the shoulders and rotate the forearms. The more you do both, the better.
You can’t do either too much, as long as you have the strength and structure to get them back square on the ball.

The transition and downswing… even more importantly what goes on post impact is the most critical. I say post impact as a reference point… because “the swing” is not defined by having a golf ball on the ground. A great golf swing can accelerate the golf club beyond lowpoint.

Most of the scientific minded make the mistake of believing that once the ball leaves the clubface, nothing matters. This is false.

It matters.

[lagpressure]

Floyd is the poster child for inside takeaways. 99% of golfers doing so would then come right OTT then slash and burn.
Floyd however slots it great. Nothing on plane here until it’s showtime. Worrying about swing plane on the backswing and through transition is like panning for fools gold.

[St_Hubbins]

I created this gif and video and thought it might be of interest to ABS devotees.

This is a young NZ pro named Ryan Fox. He’s got a pretty ABS-friendly swing, compared to most young players.

[movie] youtube.com/embed/yVv9gcqtxqA [/movie]

[St_Hubbins]

I tried to post a youtube video, but I can’t get it to embed. Any help would be good. I’ve tried all the suggested ways but can’t get them to work. So frustrating!

[bspeck]

Fixed!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVv9gcqtxqA [/youtube]

[St_Hubbins]

Thanks bspeck! Would you mind filling me in on the code you used to do that?

Cheers!

[bspeck]

Just quote my youtube post and the code is there (without the
[/quote]
at the end of course).

Only thing you change on that code for a different vid is after the equal sign, which is the youtube video serial ID. Every youtube vid has a serial ID. Its usually in there somewhere with the link or the share button on your youtube video page.

Hope that helps!

-Brandon-

[St_Hubbins]

Thanks Brandon - much appreciated.

I’ll repost here so it’s all in one place.

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I created this gif and video and thought it might be of interest to ABS devotees.

This is a young NZ pro named Ryan Fox. He’s got a pretty ABS-friendly swing, compared to most young players.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVv9gcqtxqA [/youtube]

[sixpackkid]

Anyone suggesting that “it’s all out in front of you” is leaving a lot on the table, both in distance and in accuracy also.
I really couldn’t care less about the look of someone’s backswing. Couldn’t care less. We don’t strike the ball on the backswing

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Since pop instruction today insists you start the backswing with the club in front of you this could lead to no guarantees? If you rotate your shoulders and forearms to max regardless if the club is in front of the hands you can reach potential of accuracy and power as long as post impact matches.

Why does every teacher commentator insist keeping the club in front on the takeaway? Does the inside takeaway make you lift the arms to the top?Todays players look mostly the same…does anyone pull it inside anymore?

[lagpressure]

The pros today look too upright in general. Steep on the backswing which is ok… but then they come down steep which is not ideal. I see a lot of poor ball striking going on… but they seem to get the ball up and down with regularity, so I guess they don’t stress about it unless they are playing a course like Olympic Club. I only wish Olympic was set up as it could have been.
I think all those missed fairways should have been much more penalizing than it was.

[jrich99]

@lagpressure

The pros today look too upright in general. Steep on the backswing which is ok… but then they come down steep which is not ideal. I see a lot of poor ball striking going on… but they seem to get the ball up and down with regularity, so I guess they don’t stress about it unless they are playing a course like Olympic Club. I only wish Olympic was set up as it could have been.
I think all those missed fairways should have been much more penalizing than it was.

Hard to say “These guys are good” though if the winning score is +15. They struggled a lot as it was.

[twomasters]

Lag’s upright quote made me think of this…

[twomasters]

a few pics of some super slotters

[Newman]

Found this on an old thread:

@lagpressure

The layoff of the shaft starts to introduce us to a proper swing plane that is going to be locked into it’s path via opposing forces, rather that trying to steer the club down in hopes
of finding a swing plane that can easily get off course in either direction. By throwing the
shaft back (layoff) then countering that with pivot and wrist rotation, we create a situation
where the shaft is held in the slot by forces, not aiming and a sense of having to be perfect.

It’s reading stuff like this that gets me less and less interested in practicing in slo-mo or finding static positions. The slot not being a physical space, but a ‘situation’.

@twomasters

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Lag, Two: Any insights on why Hogan makes the distinction between which arm rotates the club? What exactly is he describing there?

[lagpressure]

If you put your hands out in front of you palms facing… then turn or rotate them clockwise, you will be able to rotate the left forearm about 180 degrees, but the right forearm only about 90. So what Hogan and others did was to weaken the right hand grip to then increase the range of motion of the right hand to get closer to matching the range of motion of the left hand.

The downside is that a weaker right hand grip offers less support to the club to deal with the forces of impact. So this is where strengthening really comes in handy. I have some tips in the SuperSlotting section that help one to reduce the compromised situation here.