drewitgolf,
I know you are serious contributor to LBG and perhaps for that reason not quite enchanted by my answer. 
It didnāt require any mathematics. It is simply that whenever I see this type of nonsensical guru inspired reaction I think of the harm this type of human behavior has done and feel very uncomfortable. 
Do you actually store your ripostes from threads that took place a years ago Mandrin? - thatās a bit weird if you ask me 
First time posting. Scratch Golfer. Amateur. Won a few Club Championships and Local Tournaments in VA. 40 years playing. I have enjoyed reading all of the posts for the past couple of months or so and have been experimenting with some of the new ideas to determine what worked for me and what didnāt.
I was hitting a Driver on the range and after about 2 hours of practice, I hit 10 of the purest feeling shots I ever hit in my life so I thought I would tell everyone what I was thinking and feeling.
This last part was a breakthrough earlier in the practice session for me because by doing this I noticed that my left thumb had been extending during the takeaway for my entire golfing life and was making it so I couldnāt feel the club dropping in transition. The light bulb went off in my head when I finally felt what you guys were talking about. Felt awesome! As I was hitting the 10 pure shots in a row, I didnāt have to do step 3 as I already knew the feelings that I was focusing on. Anyway, I thought I would share this in the hope that it might help someone else.
ā¦Lets hope you didnāt have to come up with one of your elaborate formulas to come up with that reply.
ā¦Do you actually store your ripostes from threads that took place a years ago Mandrin? - thatās a bit weird if you ask me.
Do you guys have anything interesting to add to the discussionā¦, or do you just roam the forums and look for places to insert
vague personal jabs at people you dissagree withā¦bit weird isnĀ“t it 
. Mandrin, are these guys someone you have debated before? Judging by their
posts they donĀ“t appreciate your input very much. I might add that I donĀ“t always understand you myselfā¦but thereĀ“s nothing wrong with that. And by the way, whatĀ“s wrong with elaborate formulas anyway 
I know Styles is an old friend of this forum. But it becomes very uninspiring if I know your response even before reading it.
"Do you guys have anything interesting to add to the discussionā¦, or do you just roam the forums and look for places to insert
vague personal jabs at people you dissagree withā¦bit weird isnĀ“t it . Mandrin, are these guys someone you have debated before? Judging by their
posts they donĀ“t appreciate your input very much. I might add that I donĀ“t always understand you myselfā¦but thereĀ“s nothing wrong with that. And by the way, whatĀ“s wrong with elaborate formulas anyway ".
CentriPedal,
I never said I disagreed with Mandrin. In fact, as a PGA Professional and Authorized Instructor of TGM, I always enjoy and look forward to reading Mandrinās posts. It wasnāt meant to be a personal jab as you suggest. It was just a personal humorous observation (by me anyway) on how complex our presentations can be and the context at which they are taken or taken out of, as your post indicates.
I have never attacked Mandrin or anyone else on any forum to the best of my knowledge. That is not my style. Further, I will be glad to conrtibute once I get a grasp of Mr. Erikson 's concepts.
Drewitgolf
I see, well itĀ“s hard to tell I guess what is meant sometimes by the posts here. Im not the forum police and people can write what they want, butā¦considering your post my assumption was wrong.
CP
Rock, thanks for the insightful postā¦ itās these kinds of posts that inspire manyā¦ you are feeling a lot of good things in your swing.
Thanks for sharingā¦
drewitgolf,
Any forum should be glad to have you around, being a moderate and intelligent poster. I clearly understood your subtle humour and found it very appropriate. However people like Styles are around on every forum and have in common no style or class whatever. I am sure, given your background, that many look forward to any future contribution you might want to make.
Drewitgolf,
Do feel free to contribute hereā¦ this thread has seen itās share of interesting posts and ideas. Unlike other threads, we welcome concepts openly for discussion, and like to kick around ideas. There are a lot of ways to hit a golf ball. Anything I suggest here is only based upon my experience from working on concepts, playing on tour, years of TGM and observing players in the heat of competition and so forth.
I did an in depth interview with Ralph a while back on his
If you search around thereā¦ I think there are 4 or 5 parts to itā¦ and I know I went into depth a bit about what I feel is correct, incorrect, or missing from TGM.
I donāt spend much time on other sites as it is challenging enough to keep up with this oneā¦ but I like Ralphās blog, as he is always bringing in interesting people to interview there. I highly recommend it.
Lagpressure,
I really appreciate the kind words. Your thoughts parallel mine in many ways as far as what you have said about the process to play the game. It is very empowering for me to find someone else who feels that this is how to play Golf. The focus that it takes to do the five steps is very enjoyable. Because of you and some of the others who post in this forum, I was able to try new thoughts which created new feelings during my swing that are very powerful and more importantly repeatable. I am really experimenting a lot with the new grip. Today, I still focused on the shorter left thumb in a tight V and made sure the downward pressure on the grip was staying constant. To give more support, I tried to extend the trigger finger in the right hand and also create a tight V with my right thumb for the first time in my life. This seemed to allow me to get a little more pressure downward on my left thumb from the pocket in my right hand. This grip adjustment seems to create less overall tension in the hands, a better cup at the top, and more lag in the transition because I really was able to get more power through the ball. It feels with my new grip that I am giving up control of the club, but in fact it forces you to swing in a slightly differnt way to get the feelings that you talk about which creates the effortless power that is an incredible feeling. I spent my whole life with a grip that may me feel that I was in control of the club at address instead of one which allowed me to be in the best control at impact and in my finish position. I focused on the five parts during an 18 hole round today. I decided I was going to walk right from the parking lot to the first tee without a warm-up and go through the process I worked on last night during practice. In the beginning, it felt like I had never played before and I was 3 over through 4 but I stayed focused on following the 5 part process. On the fifth hole, I finally felt in control of a shot even though I hit it a little thin but it went straight. It turned around and I had a 9 hole stretch of 3 under. During this stretch, I hit a 5 iron from 195 yards on a Par 3 where normally I hit 4 iron. It was an incredible feeling to be in complete control of my thoughts and feelings and just hit a normal 5 iron that far. After the round on the range, I hit five 7 iron shots in a row without changing my grip and flushed them all. With my āoldā grip, I could not hit one shot without losing my grip. I will keep strudying your posts and experimenting. Thank you so much for everything!
This is really important hereā¦ because the grip needs to be functioning AT IMPACT, and not just at address. The students here working with the modules are finding that their grips do change instinctively over time because they simply have to.
We do a lot of impact bag work in the beginning, to teach the body and hands how to feel a heavy strong hit or strike through impact. The hands tend to go where they need to in an effort to support the pressures they are under.
I saw a lot of crazy looking grips while on tour, and it took me a few lightbulb moments to really understand why. Once you get an intellectual handle on the difference between hitting and swinging, youāll understand how the grip follows suit.
Hitters grips really need support in BOTH HANDS, not just the left. And this then radiates throughout the body, but a big power junction is in the armpits under BOTH shoulders, not just the left. Connection becomes the key to making the golf swing a repeatable motion that provides us with large tangible sensations that we can easily feel from day to day, and not have to subject ourselves to finding the timing or searching for an elusive swing key.
In my preshot routine, I added to get a feeling of both hands hitting after transition and to tighten up my chest mustles to get the feeling of the armpits being a power junction per the itwo ideas that you gave me. This definitely works so you are absolutely correct. It made my hits much more solid and I gained more distance. I think the reason I never focused on my right arm adding power because my elbow would always start hurting. Maintaining the armpit power junctions seemed to fix that problem because my right elbow is not sore. My right pinkie was coming off my grip so I am not sure why that was. I tried to keep pressure on itā¦didnāt work, tuck it in under my left forefingerā¦worked, but my hits were starting a little to the right although I was still getting a lot of power. Still experimenting with the grip. Thanks again for two more great ideas.
Rock, definitely monitor this in any manly situation when drinking beer! A pinkie finger being separated from the other fingers on a beer can or bottle will not only cause poor control when ingesting but may garner you some well warranted jibes from your buddies.
On a serious note, like Lag and others may have intimatedā¦your grip may necessarily change dramatically to support the pressures of hitting.
Keep fighting the good fight.
Cheers,
Captain Chaos
Ohh noo, he didnt 
- i guess it depends on the guys you are drinking withā¦
Sorry couldnt resist.
I was reading about Byron Nelson tonight and his play in the 1937 Masters. In the first round, Nelson hit every green, had 34 putts and shot 66. He hit all the par 5ās in two, and his only one putts were from 2 and 3 feet. In 1945, Nelsonās scoring average was 68.33 in 30 events. Pretty impressive stuffā¦
From The Vault
Always liked Nelsonā¦just his general demeanor says a lot. And some questioned his ācaddy-dipā leg action, but I didnāt see much harm in that since he was still not hitting the ball from his full height. Pretty is as pretty does.
He had a way cool large tangible sensation, or whatever one calls it, going onā¦I remember reading once, that he felt like there was a large, taller than normal, cast-iron outdoor water pump that had one of those long curvy handles situated just outside, and a little to the rear of, his R hip. At the top, he felt that his R elbow was resting on the pump handleā¦and his feel was that he was pumping the handle downward via the R elbow/arm. Pretty nice image. 
RR
Great stuff, Lagā¦ Iāve been poring over Nelsonās swing lately and it may becoming my new favourite. He was a apparently a sweeper of the ball and didnāt take much of a divot. I remember reading somewhere that the clover on the fairways at Augusta benefitted him because of his shallow attack and he attributed that to much of his success there. I just looked up some of his Augusta stats and theyāre kind of ridiculousā¦ gotta love the money he made too!..
I canāt seem to get this list to spread out to make it easier to digest, but the second column is finishing positions.
1955 10 +5 72 75 74 72 $ 695
1954 13 +8 73 76 74 73 $ 631
1953 28 +9 73 73 78 73 $ 200
1952 24 +14 72 75 78 77 $ 400
1951 9 +3 71 73 73 74 $ 450
1950 4 E 75 70 69 74 $ 725
1949 8 +4 75 70 74 73 $ 311
1948 8 +2 71 73 72 74 $ 350
1947 2 -5 69 72 72 70 $ 1,500
1946 7 +2 72 73 71 74 $ 356
1942 1 -8 68 67 72 73 $ 1,500
1941 2 -5 71 69 73 70 $ 800
1940 3 -3 69 72 74 70 $ 600
1939 7 -1 71 69 72 75 $ 250
1938 6 +1 73 74 70 $ 400
1937 1 -5 66 72 75 70 $ 1,500
1936 14 +10 76 71 77 74 $ 50
1935 10 +3 71 74 72 74 $ 137
Certainly a few main factors in stabilizing low point through impact are going to be very present between P3 and P4.
Maintaining a constant knee flex is going to be very helpful.
Limiting the the straightening of the right armā¦or frozen right arm
limiting wrist uncocking, or holding wrist cock post impact.
Eliminating excessive forward shaft lean through impact.
Swinging on a flatter swing plane, cutting left post impact, from a shallow delivery from P3.
Nelson was very proficient at a lot of this stuff.
IĀ“m wondering - if one is not so proficient in these points you posted (or he neglects them), might this promote a flipping action through impact?