Nothing will promote a flipping of the shaft quicker than stalling the pivot post impact…
There is a difference between a pivot stall and a punch shot.
A punch shot is nothing more than an abbreviated finish… but this can be done without flipping the club… or taking a big divot.
I can hit a punch shot off a tee, without the ground.
Swing Speed for a Hitter??? I think you can get some pop using a hitter’s motion
Here’s my 5 iron…
P,
120 with a 5-iron!!! Are you sure? The equates to something in the neighborhood of 140+ with a driver! Jamie Sadlowskie stuff! How far are you hitting it?
(I can see I won’t be posting my 5-iron numbers any time soon!) 
robbo
i don’t know if it’s legit, but i was in my backyard swinging my 5-iron and measuring it on the radar gun. didn’t take a divot, so i guess that’s fudging the numbers a bit.
I’m impressed Papi…you must have been inspired/ had the force with you. Keep it up.
Papi
Is it possible the radar measures ball speed rahter than swing speed as that will make more sense.
It could be a case of “Royale with Cheese”…
@bomgolf222
here’s my first response to your “Royale with Cheese”. Stay tuned for my second response. 
BTW
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I was fortunate to see Chi Chi win the Northwest Open, and watched him play the entire round. It was great stuff. He really controlled the ball beautifully. There are a lot of great things going on in his move… yet it looks very unorthodox in full speed real time. When I started studying his action, I could see how it worked, and why he hit the ball so straight.
A real classic shotmaker here…
38 pro wins, 8 on the regular PGA and he really came to life on the Senior Tour winning 22 times which is just incredibly impressive.
I had a brief chat with him once, and he said he was inspired by the Tiger (the cat version). He showed me a picture of a Tiger he carried in his wallet, and said that to win, you need the eyes of the Tiger.
I love the Chi Chi, great stuff… Lag you posted Charlie Sifford’s swing a while ago but I can’t seem to find it… it’s remarkably similar in still photos to Chi Chi as far as I can remember…
Dave Marr makes some interesting and inadvertently good points in the commentary in this clip… it’s a bit of a mish mash clip but it’s great nonetheless… the par 3 is ridiculous!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzJ1PY-SOXw[/youtube]
Papi,
It’s way too weird that my post was numbered 666 considering what may or may not have been in the suitcase… it’s a classic movie for sure. I was being tongue in cheek with my comment btw, I do agree that you can create all the speed you need without flinging the clubhead at it.
And btw btw, that 1/4 pounder video is disturbing on so many levels… thanks for sharing 
Watching Chi Chi play was nothing but completely inspiring. The endless commentary about how does such a horrible golf swing play such great golf means one thing…
The commentator does not understand the golf swing.
Chi Chi has some of the best fundamentals I have ever seen in a golf swing.
Flat lie angles
Flat backswing
Great shoulder rotation, minimal hand travel
Great leg work at transition
Great foot pressures
Flat rotation
Fabulous orbit pull
Incredibly strong hands that hold wrist cock post impact
Flat entry, steep exit
Fabulous internal pivot connection retention
Stellar commitment to his shot intentions
Plays fast without a thought in his head
You simply cannot attain that kind of record without a fantastic golf swing.
Cheers… very good.
It’s interesting to follow the journey of the black band on Chi Chi’s hat in his sequence… it makes a fascinating and informative journey, I think.
I think Gary Player’s head took a similar path of bobbing down. If you cock the head back, you simply put your eyes on the 4:30 line… so I see some good fundamentals in that.
The head cocking downward, might be countering a feeling of something else trying to go up. My instinct would tell me Chi’ is trying to keep the torso rotation level going through impact and beyond, and by moving his chin down, he is resisting the left shoulder going up muscularly but also visually.
Of course I could be totally wrong… Chi Chi might not even know.
But regardless, his swing plane from P3 to P4 is top shelf stuff.
Is it just an opical illusion with Sifford in the 2nd last picture or is he cutting it left HARD? His shaft looks almost the same as coming into impact - just on the other side? What kind of shot would such an action produce? Wasnt Sifford the golfer who had this unusual fade finish? I assume he actually was a fader of the ball then?
BTW. did Chi Chi always swung like that in the video? I guess he had his bets lined up walking up the first tee! What a hustler move 
I´d like to get some ideas about head position at impact. I came across a video by Mark Evershed - he is a Canadian PGA Teaching Pro, also has TGM background and came across guys like Moe Norman, George Knudson, Tomasello and so forth.
In general, the common teaching seems to be, that during impact, the head should stay behind the ball (thats what i got taught, thats what i read). In this video of his, Evershed was referencing to the following picture in Hogans Five Lessons (around Page 19 in the book):
He states, that this picture is a bit of an illusion, since it doesnt show the ball before impact, but AFTER impact (he is referencing the tiny flares of the golf ball that could support this case). So in his opinion, Hogan wasnt behind the ball with his head, when he hit it and as the picture would suggest, but he was “covering” it since the ball was more backward in his stance at impact.
First of all, it really came as a suprise to me, that you could interpret this picture that way, because i´ve never seen it like this before. And the argument, that the head is much closer to the ball than e.g. this pictures might suggest, is really confusing to me.
I know that camera angles are an important factor of determening how somebodys head is in relation to the ball during impact so this might be a bit difficult to derive from such pictures, but here is another one (unfortunatley the impact is missing) but it appears as his head is way over the ball:
Would head position at impact make any difference, if we e.g. would hit a driver on an slight upward attack angle as compared to an iron with an downward attack angle?
The problem with drawing concrete conclusions about the exact location of the head is difficult for a few reasons.
From a caddy view, if the camera is set up more toward the target, the head will appear to be more ahead of the ball.
If the camera is positioned more toward the players rear foot, then the opposite.
I agree with George Knudson that the head is not the center of the golf swing. It simply goes where it goes. If the club is swung properly, it does have every right to move down significantly during the downswing… and back. The head can then move forward and up. Therefore, focusing on a stationary head is not something of great importance.
The actual center of the swing would be located much more down in the lower abdominals if one were to try to pinpoint an area of minimal movement. Even there, it is hard to nail down due to the rotational nature of a good golf swing.
My own golf swing I would have my head very much behind the golf ball heading into and even at impact. But this has more to do with my intentions for a shallow entry from a fairly deep 4:30 line, not because it is something I am trying to do independently of other more important actions.
