Snead.
See grid vid @ :46:
Ken Venturi remembering his 1964 U.S. Open win at Congressional. (Boldface mine)
“When I gave (playing partner) Ray Floyd his card, there wasn’t a number on it. I don’t know to this day what he even shot, I have no idea,” Venturi said. "And he gave me my card and I went over it and saw the score. I kept going over it and I couldn’t sign it.
“I had one thing in mind, a girl I knew from Hawaii, Jackie Pung, who won the U.S. Open [in 1957 at Winged Foot, but was disqualified signing an incorrect scorecard],” Venturi said. “And I couldn’t put the pencil on the card.”
It took USGA executive director Joe Dye, who was also an official with Venturi’s group that final day, to get Venturi to sign his card.
“All of a sudden there was a hand on my shoulder, and he said, ‘Sign it Ken, it is correct,’” Venturi said. “I looked up and it was Joe Dye and that’s when I signed my card.”
Venturi never played a full 18 at Congressional again, yet the place remains almost sacred to him. He recently donated the irons from his 1964 win, a few of the scorecards, and two letters from President Eisenhower and Bobby Jones to the club.
“I know they make a lot of money today,” said Venturi, who took home $17,500 for winning the 1964 U.S. Open. “But I wouldn’t trade my era for anything in the world. It was the greatest time of not only golf, but sports. Friends and handshakes, that’s what we lived by. And that was a great time.”
Just some George Knudson footage:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfTFClk4RYk[/youtube]
This one I rescaled from the 1970 swwog match, so it looks more natural like in his other swwog vid:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azh0AZPG-E8[/youtube]
This is just the compilation of George Knudson´s ballstriking from the 1968 swwog match:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5d9YUcPyBg[/youtube]
Thank you John and Bradley and all the others for all the great contribution and information…
Chris
In the third frame you can get a feel for just how flat George was working the shaft through impact… obviously with equally flat gear.
This is George in his prime and not to be confused with the more upright version in his Bermuda Video… which is still some really great stuff… but I like this action much better.
I love how the torso has rotated from frame 3 to frame 4… you can see the by product of a vicious torso acceleration above while the lower body is still very stabilized.
This is how you do it.
Thank you John, I really appreciate your point of view and insight…
Ken Venturi in his prime…
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-yGxumWV5Q[/youtube]
Some thoughts…
Chris
Venturi certainly slotted it nicely and this is a excellent golf swing.
I like George’s flatter rotation moving through the shot. The left shoulder has traveled further from impact that it would if the shoulders were moving steeper. Venturi’s shoulders are a bit steeper and because of that is not going to work the club as flat and left and George. I would guess Venturi’s irons were set up a bit more upright. George rotates harder with the torso, but still maintains more flex in the left knee… taking out another moving part of the swing that doesn’t need to be there.
Both these guys felt the golf club very well and had very good instruction when they were learning. We won’t see this kind of ball striking again from the inferior teaching methods and poorly designed golf clubs that are promoted today.
Maybe Mr. Hogan hit in his younger days a lot of swings into a tire (resistant bag at his time…)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvfSOyCjgck[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Zt8Vh81aE[/youtube]
Chris
No coincidence Calvin Peete won 12 PGA Tour events, and led fairway hit and greens in regulation stats for many years. I suspect he may still hold some of those records to this day.
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There is not a lot of footage of him on youtube, but here at 0:40 his swing DSL…
His setup was more like the southern Moe interpretation…
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yziyL8Yh9Hw[/youtube]
This is the only youtube footage of him:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhPMWRyqVq8[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzJ1PY-SOXw[/youtube]
Chris
Chi Chi understood internally what needs to happen to strike the ball straight. Slots it great, works very flat and level going through. I had the opportunity to watch him win an event back in 1991. Great control of the ball and extremely impressive with the wedge and short irons. Off the tee he used a big headed persimmon and teed it really high… then he would play a three wood off the ground on some tee shots. Real gamer type player. I miss seeing those kind of players in today’s game.
Interesting comments from Lee Trevino on Chi Chi:
“Chi Chi Rodriguez had as good a pair of hands as anybody I ever saw, and more shots than you can imagine. But Chi Chi had a habit of turning simple shots into difficult ones. If he had 140 yards from the middle of the fairway, he would deliberately hit a low hook or a high fade, just for his own amusement or to please the fans. He needed the stimulation, I guess, but it worked against him. Remember, the goal is to get the ball from Point A to Point B in as straightforward a manner as you can. Don’t try circus shots unless you absolutely have to.”
http://www.golfdigest.com/magazine/2009-04/trevinorules#ixzz1eJYSv03i
Tony Lema…
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY6uAvCzAhw[/youtube]
Synonym for a DRAW…
Champagne Tony knew how to hit the 4:30 line and kept that right elbow bent. Sweet swing.
Captain Chaos
It looks to me that at 1:55-156. His pivot is stalling, right arm is straightening and hes swinging out to right field.
In a word…no.
Captain Chaos
Why is his club swinging so far out to the right post impact? With his right arm straightening and clubface closing rapidly?
Watch his hips in the video below, and you can clearly see them stalling through the shot. I was just surprised to see that swing in this thread with guys like hogan, knudson, and peete who look nothing like that through impact.
youtube.com/watch?v=R4DqzAFa … re=related
historicgolfphotos.com/store … -ca-1975/#
I thought this was a good one from miller. looks very abs like through the ball, right arm bent, and cutting it left on the true plane. Shoulders maybe alittle steep.
I would agree… it looks like a flip stall to me at least to a small degree… But he’s pretty upright at the top… then slots it well… after that to me he’s throwing too early… to keep from hooking it perhaps??..maybe that was the one thing that he didn’t do quite so well…
Zack
Certainly a tendency to go steeper with the shoulders when really going after a drive to use the right arm more to help square up the face. Lema could certainly hit shots with more level rotation also when he wanted to.
Lag could the more upright moves of players like Lema and Miller be the result of the club makers starting to make upright clubs? Could it be the start of manufacturers getting it wrong and players just adjusting? They are standing awfully close…
Zack