Twomasters- swing thoughts of the past

Ding Ding Ding !!!

Opposing forces…feet are the bridge…post impact speed and rotation is the water current…one wants to go one way and the other wants to go another way…
that is the essence of it and why the foot gives out and goes backwards…it is more apparent in some golfers more than others because of the vast differences in the pull of the opposing forces depending on how well the individual achieves it

Give the man a gold star!! :smiley:

Bom,
think of it this way…

If you had a wet towel, and you were going to wring the water out of it… you would grab each end and twist in opposite directions.

This essentially is what is going on. The left shoulder goes counter clockwise, the right foot goes clockwise. Like the twisted towel that becomes firmer and more structured the tighter you twist, the body does a similar thing. I call this cohesive body tension, something both G Norman and Bradley have in spades. The opposing forces at work here cumulate in the abdominal area or if you just go a bit deeper, into the Chi or Dantien. It’s not so removed from martial arts stuff. What Greg Norman was doing was simply the greatest application of this golf had ever seen. Unfortunately he and others believed this to be a flaw and he worked to remove the best part of his golf swing from his golf swing.

Since nobody hits every shot perfect, you can always blame some swing flaw upon why a player hits a certain bad shot. Everyone hits poor shots on the golf course… just some a lot less than others.

I like to view golf more as probability. We can keep improving things in our technique, course management, mentally or whatever to increase the probability of success.

Because everything in the golf swing is ultimately connected… a cohesive tension must be developed… but it doesn’t happen over night. This is another reason I like to teach students using a golf club, not a broom, mop, swing fan, or weighted club.
While things do need to be learned early on as parts or sections, like chords on a piano… the brain will connect the dots over time… often called “lightbulb moments”. Just doing 1000 sit ups will not automatically give you Bradley’s footwork. But that lightbulb will turn on sooner than later if other things are also being worked on, AND you have strong abdominal conditioning.

The sense of connection is what holds the entire golf swing together… but the sections that are being connected need to be structurally sound and properly trained to give a player the best chance at ball striking success.

:smiley: Thank you, thank you… and for my next trick…

The question then becomes/remains, what part of you was going the hardest in the opposite of the opposite direction? :smiley:

This is the thing I was rooting out! And in fairness to me, is part of the thing I’ve concluded too.

See above post by Lag…he explains stuff very well…that so many different areas of the swing tie into the motion.
That’s why we see people trying to do one thing Hogan did and then believe they swing like him. It isn’t that easy or simple or believable.
This is also why sticking people on a side by side screen and comparing swing positions is of no value.
there is so much going on underneath and inside that just aren’t viewable-- that’s why observation based teaching can spell disaster- as I learned myself

Where’s my time machine?..would love to go drop back in about 1993 in mid year and start again from there… :imp:

You don’t need a fookin’ time machine! :mrgreen:

Two,
may I ask you a couple purely practical questions:

How many rounds do you get out of a pair of golf shoes?

Has that number increased the farther (in terms of laps around the sun) you get from the swing you had at 17? Has it changed since you incorporated ABS elements into your swing?

And is the place where you shoes fail (guessin’ it’s always the right shoe) the spot where toe meets turf on the follow through?

Regards,
hawg1

Hawg
I honestly don’t know the answer to that one as far as shoe wear…I was in the fortunate position of getting them for free so I doubt I ever really worked a pair to the bone…just replaced them after a few months for the heck of it. Plus we had locker room attendants out on tour cleaning and polishing them up for us after every round, so they had a bit more TLC.

As a thought to that however the old heavier leather stitched soled shoes withstood a lot more beating than today’s more lightweight glued together ones. I certainly threw out shoes quicker the past 10 years or so compared to earlier in my career

Hawg here’s a couple of timely posts Lag made last night about golf shoes…this is exactly what I see with the more recent shoes and also the heel area just deciding to fall off… the older ones again may have been heavier, but they were strong and ever lasting and the clip clop of the spikes on the ground really made you sound important!! :smiley:

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i understand this but i’m wondering how it reconciles with the notion of the swing operating from the ground up ? In that if one is going to lead the downswing with a feet-knees-hips-shoulders sequence are we going to be starting with the lower half going clockwise then changing direction & resisting with it (presumably around p3) - hope that makes sense

Because a proper golf swing is rotational, the direction of forces is constantly changing. So the feet can anchor, the knees and legs move to motivate a change in direction, then stabilize then resist post impact as the torso turns and rotates.

It all can be as complicated as you want to make it by studying bone and anatomy charts, and hooking your body up to electrodes and a high tech software package, or you can simply do your module work and forget about it.

LOL–I think this message was meant for me. Just fuggedaboutit. Back to the basement and the impact bag. I will say this in all seriousness, that the more module work you do, the more the modules (1,2,3) blend together and form a good, stock motion. No thinking, it just happens through the magic of massive reps. The more of a ‘thinker’ you are, the more reps you need. Trust me on this.

Exactly right! Wait 'til you get to module 7 and your “stock motion” becomes much more sublime!

Captain Chaos

Hey Paul, i heard it too - probably for a few of us :slight_smile:

Thanks for the reply Lag, i am really into the notion of simply doing the mod work, i’m sure that is the best way forward for me - any swing talk mainly serves as recreation & hopefully a chance to foster a few friendships, to be honest i don’t rate my chances of getting there through a process of thinking & understanding it as very high - it certainly hasn’t got me far previously

I was pleased to break 20,000 mod 1 reps today - here’s to the next 20,000 & onwards to a swing i can enjoy playing & thank you for your help

I’ve always been somewhat wide-eyed in the amount of module reps stated in various posts. I think I’ve seen 40,000 and higher…maybe even 100,000 somewhere, IIRC.

Are those larger numbers cumulative for the number of completed modules, or are they stand alone numbers for each individual module completed. Just curious really.

T. Chapman…can you give an idea of how your 20,000 reps break down. In other words, if you did 645 Mod 1’s per day for a month, that would be 20,000 reps. :slight_smile:

Captain Chaos–I can only imagine what Mod. 7 would be like…someday, and sooner than I probably realize.

Tim Chapman–congratulations on getting in 20K Mod. 1 reps. Come on now, catch up. I’m up ahead of you around the corner. :slight_smile: Of course, I’ve had the luxury, if you want to call it that, of a rough upper Midwest winter here in the states.

I can’t remember who it was now but one of the students (Steb?..someone from Aust I believe from memory)…created a spreadsheet for reps…so someone who is on that program will be able to give you a good rundown of it all

I would say 450 per day is very feasible, sometimes more. It not just the numbers though, it’s the correct application at the same time.
Mod 1 consists on left hand, right hand and both hands…so 50 of each in the morning, 50 of each at lunch and 50 of each at night is 450 per day… thats 3150 per week…so it can be achieved easily…it takes work and diligence but the end result is incredible to giving the swing the basis it needs to start working from

Yeah…it would be interesting to hear how they break down.

I’ve been doing some 2-handed Mod 1’s lately and it certainly burns the forearms pretty quickly…even small ones :laughing:

i count individual hits on the bag, started 55 days ago, so it’s averaging 350 hits/day inc 11 blank days for one reason or another (man those blank days hurt your score) - i’m lucky though as i work from home & as long as the missus is out i’m good to go anytime, it would be tougher otherwise - i’m on m1 so those are all mod 1 reps - as far as i can gather we don’t stop m1 reps when we move on to m2 & beyond, so there is no module completion as such RR, & the reps will just keep ticking along

i’ll need to step it up to get to Paul, which is obviously what it’s all about, but i’m getting stronger & able to do more - he’s basically 2up through 5 holes & hopefully he’s thinking he can keep me at arms length & coast in from there :slight_smile:

Tim,

Wait till Lag is happy wth your M1 till you put a large amount of reps in. Your walking a well trodden path. Get your M1 right in small spurts (more frequent videos to John) and then to the reps. Small regualr amount… then video.

Just some advice from the trenches… rather than wasting time ‘doing the reps’ etc 20K bads reps will help your body learn the wrong way to do it…

Dave