It’s really not much different. Same basic action from driver to wedge.
No reason not to take that right onto the greens also. One good action from tee to green.
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John:
Great comment about one motion from tee to green. My putting has always been average to poor. Ever swince John or Two mentioned to “putt like you chip” (paraphrasing), my putting has moved to average to pretty good. Trying to ‘work an arc’ or ‘straight back straight through it’ or anything else was never natural to me and my putting, as a result, was never good. The past 6 months, at least for me, putting the ball as if I were hitting a chip with a flat faced blade has made a really big difference for me…
Thanks
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Amazing
Thanks for posting
Poetry in motion
Steve
Today’s secret appears in the first three frames.
Maybe the secret is in the first two frames, but the last two are what really amaze me. The penultimate frame shows the firing of the left forearm and the last one shows the stage two pivot explosion. How did he move his pivot so much so fast?
Well it sure isn’t a stall an dump that so many rave about today…
Then again, they don’t hit the ball as well either. Hand them gear that Hogan played and it would be an even bigger wake up call.
Good swings can hit the old stuff just as good as the new stuff as far as accuracy, compression and trajectory.
It’s all about holding shaft flex and not allowing the clubhead to slow down due to the forces of impact. Off centered hits come off better, thin and slightly fat shots come off better also.
So true!! Not saying i have a great swing (yet) haha, but I can hit my brother’s 7 iron Adams CB 170 yards with ease! With my MacGregors, It takes my 5 iron to get there.
This right here tells me how much gear has changed, especially with distances. But I look at it this way. I have PW-5i to work with within 170 yards for accuracy, thats 6 clubs to work with. On the other hand, with modern gear i only have PW-7i to work with in 170 yards, thats only 4 clubs compared to 6 clubs.
I imagine the greats in the past wanted less gap yardages b/w their irons which gave them superior accuracy.
Lag or FlayJ could you elaborate a little bit about the putting stroke you refer to? I am similar to Flay in that no matter what technique I use my putting seems to let me down from consistently decent scoring. You have my interest. If this is restricted for a putting module I am open to that as well. Thanks.
I feel I have an excellent solution for the guys who can’t putt. Don’t putt. I don’t putt anymore. I use basically a chipping motion to roll the ball on the greens. It’s simply applying all the swing concepts I teach but taking that to the greens and setting your gear up accordingly. I call it chip rolling. Works great. I am a pretty decent putter now. I would say I putt as good now with little or no practice as I did when I was on tour practicing 3 hours a day. After searching around and looking at the putting strokes of many of the greats, the action is very similar and supported in many ways by the likes of Locke, Crenshaw, Aoki, L Roberts, Seve, Casper. A lot of it is getting your gear set up correctly, then most of the stuff falls into place pretty naturally. With putting, we are not put under the same extreme pressures and forces that the full golf swing requires us to comply with. My thought is that since putting is mostly feel, why not have it feel like your normal golf swing rather than have to learn some entirely new technique that has nothing to do with a full swing.
If you are a good putter… then just do what works.
I cannot recommend Rob rotella’s book ’ putting out of your mind’ highly enough. It would be nearly impossible to still be a bad putter after reading it and implementing what he recommends . That one book totally transformed my game. I’m now a really good putter with hardly any technical practice.
Being a good putter has bugger all to do with technique and is mostly about mind set.
It’s the same reason 5 y old kids can out put a lot of pro’s.
Thanks Lag and Tsdean. Appreciate your help. I will get my old Wilson 8802 out and try chip rolling and get my hands on the Rotella book. My main problem is the 3 and 4 footers believe it or not. This smacks of a putting head case. No physical yips but mental !
I agree with TSDean that Rotella’s putting out of your mind is extremely good. Rockchalk, if you are missing 3 and 4 footers on the course, but sinking them on the practice range, the problem is clearly mental. This in one of the basic observations of Rotella.
At the same time, Percy Boomer’s interesting book “On learning golf” is very much in agreement with Lag’s philosophy as one of its tenets is to have the same routine/mechanics/etc from putter to driver. He does not believe that Putting is a game within a game, he believes it is the same stroke as every other club in your bag, just shorter. Of course there are plenty of very good putters whose mechanics are nothing like their long game, so this is not a universal rule for everybody, but I think it has validity for many golfers.
You are correct about the 5 yr olds and putting. When i was a young golf pro I developed a theory of putting that has held up long enough for me to declare it a fact. As you spend enough time around the course you will notice that all young kids and old men putt lights out. 20 footers rolling in from everywhere and not a 3 footer ever missed. Well, I decided that it was all the fault of the opposite sex. Before women and after women. The rest of the time in between your nerves are shattered. The first morning you wake up thinking of girls your putting stroke goes away and doesn’t return until the morning you wake up and would rather have a comfortable pair of shoes rather than sex. So take heart everyone one day you will become a great putter. It is just a matter of time.
Ha, someone about getting a ball in a small hole becoming infinitely more complicated when you discover women eh…
It’s as good a theory as any!
I was single during my years on tour and had putting fits… I putt much better now that I am married!
I’ve been married for 38 yrs and am a pretty good putter. It’s all a matter of over acceleration. Over acceleration when dealing with what your wife or girlfriend does or says. Over acceleration in your swing. Over acceleration in your putting stroke. Be cool and imagine a positive outcome then do the things to make it happen. Simple to say, hard to do.
“After all, the point of tournament golf is to get command of a swing which, the more pressure you put on it, the better it works.”
Used to think environmental, or competitive, pressure was the context. Takes on a whole new meaning if the context is shaft and pressure. 
Have any of you guys seen this?
Ben Hogan DSL Irons 9 to 5 with Lie Angles
youtube.com/watch?v=wfEtoE9X … re=related
lag - what are your impressions of the lie angles that are documented in this video?