Nice to see a Rat on here… been a while…!
Welcome back!
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Kudos to those that use a vast array of scientific vernacular on this subject…from my own personal experience of drilling the hell out of Mod 3 recently, that my interpretation of a swinger vs hitter in this case for ME is that in the last 7 rounds, I’ve haven’t missed ONE ball left. And, that includes 5 tournament rounds. A right arm thrust/throw has been the bane of my golf life. Thx to Lag creating the modules, my right arm throw is becoming a thing of the past and I’m damn happy that Lag deciphered the traits of the greats ! Oh and lastly, my body LOVES the hitters release !!! Zero golf pain !!
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Just started Module 1 today. All a result of the BBG series. ABS continues to confirm the sensations I’ve had for years, but was told weren’t “quite right.” This is the first time anyone could explain and lay out a plan for eliminating left. Am more than thrilled!
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Welcome to a great, new world ! Cheers
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New vid was excellent Lag 
I excel at the hammering down motion, especially after chunking an approach shot from the middle of the fairway 
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Link to new video please! @ocat1979
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@lagpressure Man, this orbit pull is a real delight. As a career flipper my range sessions “now” are filled will far more crisp shots and alot less work. The old down the line release makes this old man joints hurt.
The big difference in the two releases is the move from impact into follow thru. The orbit pull In the last quadrant gets the whole shaft involved. In contrast , theres a real weak feeling of the “swingers release” where I really wonder how things are squaring up.
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John claims in his new video that he squares the open clubface by impact mainly via a body rotation with a minimal amount due to lead forearm supination.
I 100% disagree!
See my latest post in this NGI golf forum thread where I discuss this video - https://newtongolfinstitute.proboards.com/thread/966/john-ericksons-ideas-swinging-hogan?page=1&scrollTo=12648
Jeff.
Does it actually look different or just feel different at this point? Say if you video from dtl
And Lag would be correct too, it’s mostly body rotation. I can do it but not with gear as heavy as Lag’s as I’m not as strong anymore and my body is starting to bust down, so now I play more on top of the ball instead of squaring off from the inside.
Jeff, as a previous right elbow straightener, I can 100% confirm that ABS closing of the the face is a result of what feels like body rotation. As Lag has repeatedly emphasized, there is an amount of forearm rotation that occurs in conjunction with the body rotation. After drilling the two simultaneously, the latter becomes unconscious IME. So one is really only aware of body rotation to squaring the face.
My contact is crisper, the ball flight is more penetrating, and shot shape is predictable WITHOUT THE FEAR OF LEFT. Sorry, but the right arm straightening methods result in my having an unpredictable left. The only very small downside was taking my irons to the local shop to have the lie angles reduced 3°.
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I think also important to remember is that this was his advice to the young golfer he was instructing. It was an advice to someone who may not be fully following the ABS model of hitting. One could say he was advising him to hit like DJ but with an open clubface at the top of the backswing.
Further commentary on John Erickson’s newest video.
Jeff.
I’m curious about how you save that rotation for impact and beyond? I’ve been playing some more cross-handed lately with the irons and I’ve been finding that the positioning of the hands allows me to lower the trail shoulder on the downswing easier. The “feel” gives me a “free ride” down with the hands before firing the torso and feeling the brace of the lower body and core at impact. The cross-handed grip requires a full extension of the lead wrist to get to impact though and because of that it’s practically impossible to hit it fat. I’ll post some swings when I get a chance.
There is a potential passive way to help square the clubface with a swingers release and that means having the shaft on a slightly flatter plane than your lead arm hand path plane in the early downswing. If this technique is utilised, it could mean less musculature effort to rotate your forearms in the later downswing approaching impact.
Here is the video that may make it understandable to you.
The image showing the forces and torques involved is shown below for those who might be more interested from a physics perspective.
Dr Sasho MacKenzie is a 1.6 Hcp and damaged his left elbow very badly so had to swing the club (for one season) as a lefty (although he’s a righty) with his just his right arm (see video below).
250 yrd Golf Drive with One Arm Down the Line - YouTube
He figured out how to square the clubface with a one-armed swing using the physics that he’s explained in the above video, then produced a research article to prove it works.
PS. He managed to maintain his handicap down to 1.6.
This ABS technique still doesn’t make sense to me and here is an example of my confusion:
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Take a neutral grip of your golf club, cock your lead wrist until the angle between clubshaft and lead arm is about 150 degrees. The plane of the lead arm and shaft should be vertical.
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Now lift your left arm so that it’s horizontal in front of you.
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Rotate your ‘upper arm/forearm’ so that the clubface faces the sky almost vertical.
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Sit in a swivel chair and use your legs to rotate your whole body/arms/club around as much as you like (without doing any movements of your arms).
The clubface is still pointing to the sky and it hasn’t squared to the clubhead path.
That experiment seems to omit and prevent several forces acting on the club.
Also I can’t get my wrist to cock beyond 100 degrees.
Upper arm bone rotation within the shoulder socket is begging injury. Notice how it clicks within a short range when you internally rotate it with contracted forearm muscles such as when holding an object. Better to supinate and pronate the hands using the forearms or a compound motion, which dissipates the stress through arm.
@Dubious @JeffMann whats the purpose of using 2 IDs and disagreeing with just about every post on this forum. If you dont like the orbit pull release nobody has you chained. If u need attention there are far better ways to feel needed than a online blog. If you have an issue with JE deal with that privately, but to drag everyone into your doubting negativity on every post is just not helpful.
In other words
Get lost not interested in your bullshiat
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I agree. The right arm throw works but inconsistently. The arms get away from the body thru the hit. There is alot of stalling out of the core. Each day as a rt arm thrower I dont know if my timing is on or off. JE story of Woosnam jumping from plane yo first tee is golden.