Its amazing how much influence the movement of the knees have on the upper body. A slight bend or a rotation and the upper body follows… hips, torso, shoulders and hands. Its great just watching the way Moe and Ben move the left knee in the down swing. A slight movement has such a strong influence on the plane of the golf club! Thanks for posting 
great videos.
Moe p3
Bertholy called this position “rifle barrel”, claiming it led to pin-splitting accuracy. He advised that you could turn your knuckles, like dialing a knob on the radio, depending on your intentions…straight, draw,or fade. Moe seems to advise the left knuckle up position here.
I still believe that both Hogan and Norman may have felt an automatic hand release due to the strength of their pivot.
Here’s how I see just one of the differences. With Moe, moving on shoulder plane, one will have a more pronounced axis tilt coming into P3 as an effect, and if you don’t you’re OTT. With Hogan, coming in on elbow plane, comes in more level at P3 with a large majority of axis tilt happening by staying on the inside of the R foot and firing left. Both Hogan and Norman stay on the inside of the R foot until well into going left…but Moe doesn’t get left as much. But how they deliver the club through the ball seems almost identical to me.
I like how Moe shows the back of the L hand facing the sky and holding a club a foot or so higher off the ground past P4…so when he opens his hand, the club drops straight down. I think that says a lot about L hand position at address also.
Who let the dogs out…woof…woof, woof woof- woof 
Great picture Hogansquest…holy smokes 
Heres my guess.
Try and hit the ball with the back of the clubhead starting from the backswing position, then M1 right at the end. Look in the mirror as with that intention… seems pretty good hehe
Have actually hit any balls with that intention but it does look good in the mirror 
I like the creativity dthiele…you’re starting to sound like a range rat …that’s a good thing…welcome to the club!
Thanks RR
RR Jnr in training
Also look at the tremendous knee flex helping bring all the concepts for hitting the ball straight and solid as often as possible into the equation
Hello twomasters
I thought i would show you a picture that identifies The Real Moe Norman leg action that is also in the new book The Real Moe Norman therealmoenorman.com . I am also a black belt in karate and here i perform a shuto or karate chop to illustrate the right hand palm position before impact and the wide leg separation and knee flex you describe in your pictures.
Enjoy
Greg Lavern
Author THE REAL MOE NORMAN
No doubt that a lot of Martial Arts concepts can and should be applied to golf. We have a few experts here in this site also.
Thanks for the inspiring picture.
Whew! I’m glad you identified yourself as I was going to ask how Scary Spice, Baby Spice, Posh Spice, Ginger Spice and Sporty Spice were doing! 
Captain Chaos (who wears Old Spice once in a while…how fitting) 
Hey Captain,
I am pure spice and could be old spice in a few years.
Oh! You know my sisters. Just kidding.
Good to have some humor especially before striking the ball.
Thanks
Greg Lavern
I know enough about Moe only through random reading of speculative truths about him across the internet.
Moe was a CF “swinger”, right? Left side contolled, pull left arm from top, oily wrists, etc.
I was at range the other day and I was tinkering with the different grips just to see what all the hype was about and why so many make an issue about the different types. I tried Vardon, interlock for about 10 balls each. Then remembered Furyk uses a double-overlap and did that for 10 balls. Then remembered Moe was using a ten-finger grip and tried that.
What I noticed with ME is that the closer the grip brought my hands together and right hand closer to body, the LESS the right hand got in the way, or got involved.
Furyks double-overlap was the closest you can get wrists together and it was probably the first time I truely felt left-side full control (and how weak my left side is). It seemed to kill my right hand in providing any help.The interlock added a tiny bit more RH, the Vardon added much more and the ten-finger added a LOT of RH naturally wanting to ‘hit’.
If Moe went from Vardon TO a ten-finger, I really wonder WHAT made him do the switch. Could Moe really be a hitter and using his RH more than many think? My experiment seems to make me think Moe tried Ten -finger and was even more comfortable with his RH influence? I just can’t see why a CF pure left side swing would prefer a ten-finger.
You can swing with most any kind of grip. A ten finger grip might simply feel better at transition for some… or even the initial pressure loading into the hands right at takeaway. Moe was very passive with the hands.
I received a copy of “The Real Moe Norman” from Greg a couple of days ago…
I took a brief skim through the book and on initial impression I can only say this is a wonderful book.
Greg’s accounts of Moe and the people and players up in Canada I met while playing up there for 7 years are consistent with my own experiences. I really look forward to really getting into the book, and we are fortunate to have Greg here to talk about it. I know I am looking forward to some wonderful discussion about Greg’s experiences with Moe, and it might shake some other memories I had spending time with Moe during my touring days up north.
Anyone interested in ordering a copy you can get it here:
The first thing I felt when browsing through the book was the honest way it was written. So many golf books get censored or watered down when they go through the major publishing house cheese grater. This book is right from Greg, and gives a much clearer insight into Moe than most other things I have come across… particularly some of the crap I have seen written on the web about Moe.
I’ll be bringing up topics I find interesting from the book as I go over it in the weeks to come
Thanks Greg for taking the time to write this book. Refreshing to say the least.
Greg,
What were Moe’s thoughts on forearm rotation?
I know he told me that by setting the club up a foot or so behind the ball this eliminated the first 1/3rd of his backswing.
Personally, I think the most difficult move in the golf swing is the initial move away from the ball, because a straight line from the ball to the target has very little if anything to do with striking a golf ball.
Moe used to tell me he dragged the club back 42 inches along the ground on an inside arc to train his muscles to do this.
He loved the inside sweep back… much like Knudson…
Did he talk to you about that, or who taught him that? or what inspired that action? Personally I think it is brilliant.
Hello (John) Lag,
I will answer your questions and take any questions from the forum or your patrons.
Moe would place the club head anywhere from 14 to 16 inches behind the ball on the set-up with the driver. He had a huge start on the back swing with his great extension away from the ball to the inside. The sweeping action was automatic with the rotation of the entire left side away from the ball. ( left instep ,hips, and shoulders).
The left palm would push away as the left arm and wrist rotated very quickly since Moe was already so deep into his back swing with the club head well behind the ball. There were three advantages from Moe’s set up: 1. He had a head start compared to the conventional golf. 2. Could not pick the club up. 3. Could not take the club outside. The club face moved square away from the ball eventually working to the inside behind him that positioned him ready to make the vertical drop. The amount of width created in Moe’s back swing was enormous from his extension low and long away from the ball since Moe trained the sole plate of his driver to graze over a silver 50 cent piece to develop muscle memory.
Moe felt his left arm and forearm turned away from the ball after his initial two waggles to stay loose and in motion to always keep moving. I discussed this with Lloyd Tucker the head pro at Rock way G.C. in Kitchener Ontario Canada after Moe and myself drove up to spend the day . Lloyd kept a close eye on Moe as a young boy growing up and gave Moe advise if he wanted it or had a question. The rotation of the forearms on the forward swing rotated but on their own accord and never forced. When Moe continued past impact with the continuation of the horizontal tug the left forearm would rotate and back of the left hand or wrist would continue to the sky while the right arm and thumb would point over top of the flag stick. Moe rotation of the arms after impact was on the extension low and long down the line.
Just to finalize on Moe’s takeaway. When starting the club 14 or 16 inches behind the ball on the initial set up, you cant get any lower going back. The 42 inches was to have the feeling of reaching back to the right on the extension as the club head would sweep low to the inside similar to George knudson. The difference was George knudson started at the ball where Moe started with the club 14 to 16 inches behind the ball on the back swing that produced more width and extension in The Real Moe Norman’s swing. Moe taught him self this action as a boy and then taught it to myself. Moe explained to me that he wanted the club going back low and wanted the face of the golf club square ,low and long after impact.
Thank you
Greg Lavern
Author The Real Moe Norman
Can you explain this in a bit more detail… particularly the horizontal tug aspect. Is this referring to a level shoulder rotation with the arms then socketing upwards to finish?