B, In relation to your comment about…‘pouring it on’, I am pretty sure I read in John Schlee’s book that Hogan advised him that the strike was akin to holding a tray of champagne glasses upright at P3 with your right palm facing up and then smashing them down into the ground at impact with the right palm facing the ground.
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Man, that is sweet! Thanks for that, Aiguille…
Ok, I get it. Thanks.
TM I had a TZoid 10.5 with a TI shaft that I set up just for that game, it was like hitting a five wood no prob like 265 or so and I could work it. I think I shot 66 once at Rancho Murietta and like 68 at Sonoma National. It was a blind draw partners game against all the other draws all five way nassau. Lots of good players in that game, Joel Kribel, Charlie Wi, Kevin Wentworth, Casey Boyns to name a few. If you shot even par you were losing some dough, somebody always seemed to shoot zero. We were all too young to realize we weren’t that good…
can that be right ?
holding the tray of glasses at p3 & smashing them into a wall at impact i can see, but can the right palm face the ground at impact ?
Is that for a feeling of a bent right wrist at impact…by having the palm feel like it is facing the ground?
That may answer Tchap’s question if that is the intention
I would see it as an intention, not something that would actually happen. With the pivot moving through there, and the torso accelerating hard, there’s lots of force being created to counter that ‘palm down’ intention. Add it to the fact that you’re coming from a ‘palm up’ situation pretty soon before, and it becomes a pretty valuable goal. Johnny Miller talked about a similar feeling but it’s something that never shows up in his swing.
Taking it from the perspective of the left hand, Hogan also talked about going from palm down pre impact, to trying to get the back of the hand facing down post impact. This would be the same intention, just seen through the other hand.
I’d say as a thought, it transfers better into iron swings than it does with woods/driver.
ok thanks, the reason i can’t see it i suspect, is that my pivot strength currently lies somewhere between feeble & pathetic
so it feels like if i had that intention the glasses would smash at my feet 
i had a play with this a bit this morning & it seems there isn’t really any danger of smashing the glasses at you feet even with a weak pivot (guess the brain won’t let you) - i think i’m now a fan 
The danger with that thought is that the smashing downward of the glasses becomes too big in your mind- especially from the top. On average, and probably the majority of the time, I would say the most valuable aspect of that thought, is getting the glasses to stay on the tray coming down. A lot of players get obsessed with ‘squaring the face’ into impact. Squaring the face is surprisingly easy, and happens very naturally, too naturally in fact. Not squaring the face too early is the real key. When a beginner hits a slice or hits it right, they invariably conclude that they left the face open. The real problem is that the face was too closed too soon, and the opening of it becomes the reaction, and something that they’re not actually in control of. You can imagine the spiral of madness that ensues when they then try to get it more closed. It’s an extremely tough sell to tell a slicer to get the face more open coming down from the top.
very interesting about the slice move
i think i was on to holding the tray upwards at p3 before smashing, but not carrying them from the top down to p3 - i’ll bear it in mind - thanks
John Schlee actually invented a device which featured a plastic cast that retained a bent right wrist…but as Lag says, this should be created by the force of the pivot rather than by binding the wrist to a plastic device. Again, the smashing the glasses thing is very much a sensation rather than a reality.
IIRC, Norman bought the rights to that and called it the Secret.
Greg Norman’s Secret…I still have one in the closet from my rec.sport.golf review days. If you are a swinger, it gets a bit uncomfortable at P4. The accompanying video also had Greg explain how it’s great for the short game and the motion of the pitch is just like an under-hand throw with the right hand.
Cheers,
Captain Chaos
Kite was really clean going through the zone.
Great golf swing here. I’ve been doing a bit of a study of some of the golf swings of the Asian women golfers who seem to be on such a rise. There are some strong similarities in a lot of them, as well as a lot of ABS type principles present imo. Interesting stuff…
A fantastic athletic move there, Bom! No module 3 as we do it though.
The Asians really are cranking out the quality golfers now. I wonder if they translated all of Hank Haney’s material into Japanese and Korean languages? 
The swing with Asian golfers reminds me a bit of the Soviet block gymnasts during the Berlin wall years. Near complete domination of the sport.
Captain Chaos
Maybe I should pose it another way, Capt- Do you see anything in this sequence that resembles or equates to any ABS type principles?
One way or another, as you know, I do have a soft spot for fantastic athletic moves…
Cheers.
Here’s another view, Capt. Just trying to drum up a little discussion, or maybe even a little solidarity amongst the golfing generations, nothing else.
Plenty to like in those sequences Bom. Looks to me like she’s:
- hitting a nice deep p3/430 position (or at least is on here way to it)
- got nice forearm rotation and thus lots of range of motion to utilize into impact
- holding that right elbow bent into/past impact
- moving/rotating pretty level and left with some authority after impact
Nice find,
robbo