Here’s another fellow. He used a very abbreviated backswing and found the slot…maybe even the super slot.
Allen Doyle is a super slotter… no doubt.
Hey Lag–
Forgive me if I’m getting ahead of myself in my ABS coursework, but: is your pitch elbow established by your end backswing and then brought down to P3 by preserving the relationship between your hands, arms, elbows etc. to your torso or chi established at P2 ( from frame 4 to frame 8/9), or does your pitch elbow develop on the downswing as the arms move down in front of the body to P3?
Edit: the pictured referenced is the initial one posted.
The more the forearm or right forearm rotates, the more "pitch the right elbow tends to get. The thing to remember here is that “pitch” is a snapshot or vapor trail of other intentions. It’s a position that represents dynamic motion. I never think about my right elbow as far as a position… or try to get into pitch.
Rotation, Rotation, Rotation.
this should be on any abs merchandise you would ever plan to make. you could have an image of a map with an x in SF, California with the words “advancedballstriking.com. Rotation. Rotation. Rotation.” underneath…i’d buy one.
clearly i don’t understand the finer points of multiple quotations on message board posting…
not sure if this is a light bulb or what, but working on the hand attitudes in module five have, on their own, dramatically changed how i am making my transition (at least with practice swings into the bags). it almost seems like transition might be better thought of not so much as the transition from back- to downswing but rather as the transition from centrifugal force being the primary force on the clubhead in the backswing to centripetal. in this sense, ‘slotting the club’ simply becomes the process of ‘catching’ or absorbing the clubhead as it transits from flying away from your body to flying towards it…
the relevance of this realization to my module five work is that my new hand attitudes allow me to better sense the clubhead during the backswing and, as a result, i feel the transition of forces much better. the end result is a shorter backswing, more forearm rotation (hello pitch elbow), a better coordinated “drop,” and the club getting really flat and, for me, at least in practice swings, finally seamlessly finding the 4:30 line.
This is spot on conceptually and what we need to feel.
CF to CP to CF makes perfect sense both in definition, feeling and practice. Not sure the scientific definitions, but it’s a good way to communicate the proper feelings.
Well…there you have it. Ben having issues with God! 
Good video Cheese… 
youtube.com/watch?v=NDgxUeU8 … re=related
This is great, you can really just so vividly imagine Gary Player taking his time slowly and deliberately, getting the club set in the slot…then all hell breaks loose!
Its also wonderful to see how deep and in front of him the arc of travel of the clubhead is during transition.
I just joined the ABS forum, because this thread has all my attention…
I am just a lurker who looks sometimes to this forum, but since Bradley Hughes promotional Youtube vids,
I am getting more and more interested to this woderful site, and now I see Lag doing
what I thought is totally wrong because I did this to some kind and told myself, since
nobody in this world swings like this it can´t be right. This is my swing 2 years ago:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIHQe5uCyB0[/youtube]
Recently it looks more like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um4AJyj3O0E[/youtube]
I think the hardest thing to do is to trust only your feelings without any blueprint…
Sure I am a big Mr. Hogan fan and believe he did something similar but he had a much
better pivot action.
I am looking forward to discuss some advantages and disadvantages to superslotting…
I am not a student of ABS - For info what I found out after some years — to feel my
club I use heavy equipment with swingweights from E 0,5 to E2, all my Irons are aroung the Lie angle
of my 6 Iron = 57 3 Iron to 60 degree in my wedges, my shafts are 1 inch longer, so they are all over 130 gramm per
shaft ( I am 6,1 tall) but the clubs are bent flatter and the lofts are weaker (in my wedges they bent 5 degree flatter and 2 degree more loft with my cast clubs, thats 7 degree bending!!!) I like my clubs even they are not blades…
Usally i post under the same user name at Golfwrx, mostly in the winter time in the Hogan Heroes Forum…
Chris
That’s some pretty nice action you have there Chris!
Welcome to ABS!
Mashie
Welcome Chris,
You are right on track to being an excellent ball striker if you are not already. Would be interesting to see a front on view.
Chris has some nice videos on youtube…we have been in touch a bit over the past few months…
I think you are already ahead of the curve with your thinking and approach…hopefully what we have here can assist you to your goals
Glad you made your way here…enjoy
Thank you all for the nice welcome…
Since there was no blueprint for my swing, my swing is my personal interpretation of Mr. Hogan´s five lessons and
my swing was the output of this, puh - no pro was ever able to give me any good advice… (Oh, thats not exactly true, because FATS from Golfwrx gives me sometimes pretty good advice and he was taught by Bolt and played with many greats…)
So I am still figureing out why and how it works. Sometimes I go 2 steps forward and 3 steps backward. This thread has for sure my attention, because it looks like Lag is doing something similar and I can learn from this thread and all the good posters from this forum.
In my thinking there are 3 different ways to produce power:
Ramp -
Smooth swingers with longer, slower swings, who often don’t bend the shaft a lot to get their clubhead speed.
Double-peak -
The most common swing. The swing loads the shaft to start the downswing, and again with the wrist snap.
Single-peak -
Typically hard swingers with quick swings, who load the shaft for the whole downswing.
What I feel is a single-peak loading in the downswing, I stress the shaft in two dimensions
1st longitudinal stessing of the shaft:
2nd radial stessing of the shaft ( against the arc):
I can´t see this with my Irons, but with my graphite shaft in the Driver it is visible…
The only danger is if my pivot is not fast enough then I get wristy - hello hook…
For sure this is not the way to swing a golfclub for everyone, but
even I am getting older ( now 44 ) I have the feeling I still have a younger persons golfswing!
Recently Driver FO:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-oaK3oey5U[/youtube]
I don´t have a lot of Iron FO vids - so I found this one from last year, hell… It looks better thank my current ones, but I forgot on what I worked at this time:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVOLKN2ajqs[/youtube]
And sure my favourite one with a 3 wood DSL of the matt: This is what I worked on the last months:
Crazy downloop the club is at transition horizontal to the ground…
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q1rDSZ4UBo[/youtube]
And please, I am not here for compliments, but I want to share my thoughts about golf
and learn more about the why and how it works, like everyone else here.
Chris
Thanks for posting. We don’t see a lot of super slotters in the modern age, and I was never a super slotter while I was playing on tour.
It’s certainly not a requirement to play championship golf. However, when implemented correctly, it can be a very effective action lending itself to both power and accuracy because it increases the range of motion of the forearms, and allows the torso to move both level and aggressive.
We have a couple students here that are superslotters… and I have spent most of my time with them working on their post impact action. It really is like cementing the club in the stone at P3, that then requires a King Arthur move to pulling that club from the right hip pocket and sustain the strike to, through, and beyond impact.
As an instructor I felt it a responsibility to understand the action… and earlier this year I was able to figure out exactly the what and the how to properly both teach and implement it for those wishing to go down that path or at least have a go at it.
If you can’t personally do it… forget it.
I don’t teach things I can’t do myself… as I have little interest in teaching anything based upon even a fraction of speculation.
I can teach anyone how to super slot the golf club.
However, pulling the club from the stone and then being able to handle and wield those pressures and forces properly into and beyond impact is another story. I would say this with a real caveat… beware and tread these waters with caution.
The good news for ABS students is that right from the get go, we have been working on all the right things to handle such an action.
The early module work students do here is creating a solid platform for superslotting. I will be offering this module as an elective for the more advanced students who I feel have a chance of both successfully applying it and at some point yielding the fruits of it’s harvest once successfully implemented.
What the superslotting does when applied correctly is it actively pressures the shaft into the slot, increases forearm rotation which opens the clubface, allows the player to grip the club more firmly (yes more firmly) and both excites and encourages the lower body to initiate transition properly, and then does the same thing with the post impact pivot action. But again… you have to have the guns at the bottom to really hit in an active and deliberate way… and literally kill it off post impact… or really slay the dragon.
I had a prospective student send me a swing a while back of him trying to get “the look” of the superslot by loosening his grip at the top to increase the angle of the shaft to the left arm. WRONG!!! This is not superslotting or super doing anything other than guaranteeing failure.
I can personally attest that as a player myself… I absolutely love the move. I have on a few occasions had some wonderful ball striking rounds and have put the driver into places on the golf course I have never been distance wise. But again… understanding it… knowing what to and how to implement it is only 2/3 rd the puzzle. Like anything… you have to get it under your skin or into your swing DNA so that it becomes automatic, autopilot and needs ZERO conscious thought and then to top it off… it needs to travel. Right now for me it is somewhere in the DNA crystalization process… somewhere between slipping in and out of consciousness! Like any swing change… there are spacial awareness issues… and the brain needs time to process it all… not just once but in all the differing ways our body feels. In other words, how does this feel on a hot day? on a cold day? in the wind? without sleep? after a stressful day at the office…when you have a cold? or just got off an airplane or a long car ride? or haven’t played golf in two weeks or two months or two years?
So to really master any new move… you have to know when spacially it feels here… then I need to counter it with this. And when it feels here… I need to do this… when I am losing the ball right I need to turn harder… or if I am hooking the ball I need to toughen up the orbit pull.
I played a round a couple days ago and after not playing for a while I did feel a bit off… but after the round I looked back and not once was I long and left of the pin. Hit a few really stellar shots including a 3 iron into the par three 3rd at Mare to 10 feet at the difficult back right pin placement which I converted happily . Knocked it on the par five 5th with a 2 wood from about 240 out to six feet from the hole (did not convert for eagle 
) but clearly pointing things in the right direction for me. A nice clean round 14 greens and a 71.
Another key point about superslotting is that these kind of swings developed during the persimmon age… when players where using flatter heavier gear. The added weight at transition does everything GOOD for this. The lightweight clubs of today encourage an arm slap because the ability and temptation to over accelerate to soon is just too tempting for even the most savy swinger of a golf club.
Don’t believe me? Just look at the PGA Tour where these guys there are not so good at doing this.
having gone through some major swing changes in your career, can you talk a little bit about how you go about integrating changes? i know you have previously written that you simply allow the drills to seep into your swing, but are there any other insights you have, in terms of accepting new and foreign sensations in your swing? i am particularly interested in how you deal with spacial awareness issues…i find it hard to let things happen without simultaneously being aware of them…
That’s an excellent question.
Obviously everyone is going to vary some… and guys on tour would be no exception.
To start, any change is going to need to be at least two changes. For instance, say I am going to try to keep the right foot down longer through impact. I would first need to determine why I am doing this, and then establish the opposing force that will be effected, and then set up a regime for that work also. So in this example… keeping my foot down is going to tend to stall my hip and torso rotation… so I am going to have to pick things up there. So to keep the foot down, I am actually going to have to increase my torso rotational speed so that I can keep the foot down without loosing distance on my shots… or getting led down some other road of falsely trying to generate velocity by throwing the right arm at the ball etc…
So I would do this for accuracy reasons… and work new muscles to replace ones that either were not effective or were causing issues in my swing I didn’t want around anymore.
I always have a plan.
And I always make my changes with a proper golf club… not a swing aid… not a weighted club or a club with fan blades etc.
Golf is a game of feel, and I want to feel a club in my hands… weighted clubs will make my club feel light which is absolute golf swing suicide. No ropes, pulleys, flashlights… nada… just me and a proper club.
So I would introduce a training regime for myself. Set some goals like I am going to do 150 reps a day at least 5 days a week. I am going to give myself at least 6 to 8 weeks to strengthen, then I am going to look at ball flight and take a few videos to check my progress. I’ll fire a ball off the deck once in a while to check what the flight is doing. Just a ball or two… not buckets. I don’t want to start fixing things with unnecessary compensations. I find it much more efficient to think about the feeling and impressions of one or two swings and take that to bed… and think about that… and trust that my brain will work out things correctly during sleep or meditative states. I believe less is more. But of course being a pro I strike the ball pretty solid compared to most amateurs. I am also armed with some of the more advanced concepts here to help counter any variety of shot deviations.
Somewhere in the 12 to 16 week period I should start to see the fruits of my labors taking shape. I might play a round or two where I get some confirmation that I am improving and or hitting a few shots that really confirm my integration. So at 4 to 6 months it should start to feel automatic. I will try to feel things in my practice swings on the course, but this will always be integrated into the feeling and intensity of the strike. How hard am I going to hit this shot. Once I move in to play the shot… my only thought is going to be the flight path I am going to be seeking (shape, trajectory) and the intensity of the strike (distance control and a good solid strike onto the ball)