Two, yeah I’ve spent a decent bit of time on Burke’s action which is why I’d thought that was him- the similarities at this point are pretty remarkable…
Controlled chaos…hmmm. What’s a little shoulder turn between friends. Looks like TWs’ anger moments before perhaps slamming a club into the ground captures some interesting hand and wrist conditions similar to someone with a bat in their hand just about to hit something period…intentions to hit on.
The guy in the right is on his followthrough, not to take anything away from the concept.
No shit? 
I have no idea what sport that is…is it cricket? What way did he hit whatever it was he hit, was it backward, or is it some kind of recoil attempt-action. Better yet, is there a similar video clip as I am curious about this motion/activity. 
The ball came straight at his body and he has just clipped it away in the direction he is looking. The game is cricket, yes. Ha ha.
Another lefty cutting it right 
Johnny Mack showing off a little Mod2 squeeze!
I think his true intention was to get to PV 5… 
Nice one IOZ…
…and good observations Newman and NLJ.
Of course Hogan suggested sitting on a sports stick IIRC, but a tennis chair works just as well for some things. 
IOZ, that is total genius, I love it! You’ve got a great eye for sure… And I love the Johnny Mac more than you can imagine! I still use my 200G racket when I play- old school all the way
It reminds me of this photo sequence I posted a long time ago…
Hey B You CANNOT be serious!! the 200G is a good racket, I use the Wilson Pro Staff 85, also pretty old school if you ask me
P.S. love that explosive sequence of the Bantam Bomb
My brother would be proud, he’s a bit of a Sampras nut and actually collects those Pro Staffs. There were some made in different factories and Sampras would only use the ones made at a particular place because the frame was stiffer! Interestingly, and you may already know this stuff, he reckoned he never won the French Open because the frame he used was too small, but he preferred it for the quality shot making… it all sounds very familiar…
Btw, ‘Bantam Bomb’… can’t believe I didn’t come up with that one… Nice!
I have that stiffer version of the Pro Staff, made in St. Vincent, added some lead to it and she plays just like a heavy blade 1-iron
As the kids say, Nasty!
Newman, I keep meaning to reply to this, it’s been in the back of my mind and was reminded of it yesterday when I watched this video- superb video, btw… I do bend the right elbow in a normal way, but I try not to have it as a rotated bend, if you know what I mean. The bit from 3:20 to 3:40 is essentially what I’m saying, that the hand relationship stays true to the shoulder line to the top, the slotting from there is more natural, I think. A good image from the top to the slot is ‘high 5 to low 5’, that’s a full right forearm rotation into the slot, and is alive. Though not a super high 5! If you were to stand straight up and go to a high 5 position, or an oath taking position is better, it would require a counter rotation of the forearm. But in the swing, the shoulder turn takes care of the 90 degrees that would be the counter rotation from standing still, so it’s really just about staying strong to the top.
As I was saying a while back, this is ‘ideal world’ talk since everyone is coming from different places. But principally, this would be neutral motion in my mind, and best.
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Holy cow, I guess that’s what happens when you give a mormon regular instead of decaf. Breathe Johnny!
Lots of awesome nuggets in there.
That dropping to low 5 feel you’re talking about has been a tough one for me to incorporate, that’s a crucial move and getting to low 5 position is pretty much the opposite of ott. Mod6 is basically a real specific way to do this, along with saving pivot rotation, so the low 5 would be early in the DS.
Neutral motion, I’ll buy that. So instead of this, Lag has this cool thing to really milk the body rotation. If you take your address position and without moving your feet, turn yourself a bit right and readdress an imaginary ball that’s back of your stance and aiming down the first base line. If you now take a backswing relative to that imaginary ball and line, you’ll end up with the club across the line to the original target, BUT then you rotate those forearms back (lay it off). Now turn your head back and look back at the original ball. The body should be ultra coiled and the club pointed to the target, this is more the direction we’re trying to go w/ ABS as far as the ‘top’. But from here you’d be ‘high 5ing’ with the back of your hand (as you put it, a ‘rotated bend’), so all that needs to be done to get into low 5 position is lowering straight down. I think the danger though (for me at least) is that right forearm wanting to rotate ccw from the top to p3, instead of just dropping, and of course the club steepens and everything is f@#&ed…
I’m interested to mess with that more ‘neutral’ spot at the top and the high5-low5 feel a little and see what putting some cw rotation there will do. Of course all this happens in the blink of an eye and is supposed to be overlapping and seamlessly blended, right? 
Myself and Lag are cut from more similar cloth that some might think, and I’ve learned a lot from him. But my thinking here is that that forearm rotation is actually what takes you to the slot, not what you do in the backswing, as this drill suggests. That way puts too much emphasis on the backswing, and is just less athletically instinctive in my view. If you were to take that 1st base position and turn back to target square, that would be more ideal imo. And THEN do that rotation you mentioned down INTO the slot, that’s what I’m talking about- the High 5 to Low 5. The Low 5 position is harder to attain in the slot when you get there in the backswing, imo. This speaks to the Newton 3rd law thing- you get the thing you want by doing the opposite of it going the other way- for every action there’s an equal but opposite reaction. The whole rotate and hold into the slot thing is not ideal as far as I’m concerned, it’s too conscious for the demands of the game over the course of a full round, and all the different shots we have to hit.
I just saw that Lag put some of this MIller stuff over on his thread, and the pics that LipOut posted are pretty cool- but does anyone think about how those 3 guys were all basically across the line at the top? Is that not interesting to anyone? It is to me, and it speaks to maintaining that setup relationship to the top in the turn, and then slotting/rotating to the 430 line that ABS, and all the greats, like.
Cool pic…
Just for clarification…
the drill Newman mentioned is more addressing shoulder rotation as the primary factor and goal of that drill.
So many players… especially older players forget or lose their shoulder rotation on the backswing. This drill gets them to where they should be.
As far as slotting, laying off the shaft into transition… or active forearm rotation through transition… it’s not something many players do masterfully… not even on tour… but is is I believe a common skill set we see in many of the greatest strikers. The God Move… etc…
I don’t think just putting someone there is going to work… unless they learn how to deliver the club into the golf ball from there. There is a skill set to that… and some strength is needed also. Gary Player was very big on finger and forearm strength… and put this to great use. I think you have to train to do this. Accessing a full range of motion here is a good place to start… at least to learn the basics of it. Once you have a feel for it… or better yet it becomes intuitive or swing DNA… I think that opens up a lot of different backswing options.
I have no issues with steep takeaways that work the club back into a shallower plane on the downswing… or using the right elbow as a trigger to tuck in through transition to help flatten the shaft. I still think there is room for more independent forearm rotation through transition… that most don’t explore… either the initial counter intuitiveness of that action… or the lack of ability to get back to the ball even if it is done.
It’s tough stuff… and even for the guys who take it back steep… many simply come down steep and OTT just as they took it back. The early rotators also can react and come down OTT. But if you learn the God Move… then I think you can make it work either way… if you have it.
Some of the students here I encourage to loop out to in… and I have been suggesting Newman explore this also. NRG has been a quick setter to the inside and has gone from a high 70’s shooter to often shooting in the 60’s now… so no need to change his inside takeaway as far as I can see. He is nicely on the 4:30 line now.
Some guys cross it over at the top and just come down steep like they are chopping wood… others like Miller and Gay Brewer cross and slot it… which is very good.
I think it’s difficult to say “this or that is the model” when there are so many different backswings out there that find the 4:30 line coming down.
It’s a great topic to discuss…
Cool, man, it is for sure… I’m in and out these days, but it’d be cool to chat about it over time…
I hope all is well…