Speaking of… who does Pedro think he is in this photo, Ben Hogan?
Btw, RR, I’ve worked on a few excavators and some of their actions are very similar to the golf swing. I was teaching my boss to play at one point and I was trying to get him to understand the need for constant internal motion or speed. He was finding it tough as he saw and felt speed in the club head for the most part. He was leveling out some dirt in the excavator one day and I saw it. As he pushed the bucket down behind the pile of dirt, he started moving the cab around, pushing the dirt. The cab keeps going on the inside as the bucket moves on the outside. Being in the cab at that point gave him a clear feeling of how the power keeps going around on the inside, while the bucket does it’s thing. He got the picture right away and made solid strides in his game.
Cool picture Bom…who’s the guy on the ground and what happened if you know. Did he get beaned or something?
About the backhoe…I mentioned the club dropping down and going incrementally up at the same time. Incrementally up at the same time is probably not the best way to say that. I think a better way might be that while the club is dropping there is a adjunct ancillary mission which is to seek up at some point. A tangential analysis on my part, but I agree there are many things to learn from our environment if we keep our options open. 
RR
I clipped these from my last video taping session which was over a year and a half ago- around the time I discovered ABS world. I was working on Clearkeys that day which is why I picked them- it is what it is as they say. I stopped recording back then because I knew what I wanted to work on and I wanted to experiment with ‘seeing’ the changes from the inside. I’m assuming I’ve made some improvements on frame 3, and as a result am coming into the zone a bit shallower because my driving has gotten quite solid and my divots are a lot shallower… in my defense, this was with my 2 degree upright Mizuno 6i, and I’ve flattened things out a bit since then.
It was a cold day in Seattle, hence the wooly hat and the poor lighting. Though I kind of like the videos shot in that kind of light because you get to look at an overall frame, almost like a silhouette, and get a more general picture of the motion.
RR, given your ilk, I’m surprised you don’t recognize “The Gerbil”…
I do recognize him Cheese…in some ways it looks like that model you see floating around the www from the book…Swing Like a Pro…by R. Mann. Only the shadow knows!
Would seem that a flatter entry would put the shaft bisecting those light poles off in the distance between the first and second pole from the left. A big reverse loop and flat drop could get you there maybe. Hope to do some posting myself in the not to distant future…just a few more kinks to work out.
What lie angles are you using now? Good stuff Bom. RR
Good to see u back CD; thought we lost you somerhow.
BOM,
I think you can audition for the next MIB ( Men In Black) ! 
I’m not sure what’s funnier, The Gerbil or the Cheesedonkey’s avatar… funny stuff…
RR, my Mizunos are now standard lie but look upright because I’ve been using an old set of flat Toney Penna Rebar Hurley sticks for the last good while- they’re phenomenally ugly and hard to hit( I think the sweet spot is on the back of the heads, if at all, because I haven’t located them yet) I just started using those 73 Hogan Apex that I put some X100s into- they’re flat, but not as flat as the Penna’s, and might be the purest irons I’ve ever hit- it’s almost hard to believe how sweet and solid they are. I think they’re probably a degree or so flat. I just can’t say enough about those irons, it’s ridiculous. And it’s not like they’re even hard to hit. The way those old Hogans were made with the anti cavity back, they’ve got so much meat around the middle that a slightly off centre is barely noticeable… I think the engineers should go back to the drawing board regarding what makes a club easy to hit. And they’re beautiful things too! I want more Hogans!
Eagle, is there a movie called Men in Red and Pasty? I might have a better chance in that one
Very sound golf swing there. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks, man. I’d been meaning to post something, and that new screen grab tool has been great…
Cheers…
Anybody got any thoughts on the differences/similarities going on here? I’m fascinated by this thing…
I’ll pound out a few:
Left arm detaches after contact…it looks like he’s so low and has such a elongated stance and entry corridor, that it would be difficult to have an active pivot post impact, so the arms detatch and straighten. He’s coming in nice and open but closes down quite dramatically. Almost like a reverse swit. He sets up to hit coming into the ball and decides at the last minute to swing. I think the pivot blocks the hit at that point and forces whatever is left to accomplish the task.
The head also continues to get lower through the ball up through the finish as opposed to Senior’s who at the same point in time starts a more upward journey due to a steeper exit and active pivot use.
The eye lines are cool also. The hockey dude’s eyes seems to be always oriented to, and looking at his hands…which is not not the same for Peter.
Gotta get some coffee…Later RR
Peter Senior’s clubface is wide open post impact…even though his right hand appears to have crossed over the left.
This is a good observation. It’s interesting to see how different golfers time or use their upward thrust, if at all.
Aiguille, I’m just not sure that I agree with this, even from a visual perspective we go from looking at the face to looking at the back of the head. If it was wide open, we’d have less of a view of the back imo. It can be tricky to pin down truths from photos because it’s hard to know what they were really trying to do with the shot, but I’ve got a few photos of Senior where the face rotates over in a sort of sequential relationship to the rest of the rotation. I don’t see it as independent rotation, but it does seem to be sequentially greater than the other parts. Even if you just focus on his forearm and hand rotation, and assume that he’s hold on pretty tight with both, both hands and arms have rotated over pretty hard. His pivot thrust ‘held the face online’ a little longer, I think, but my my sense is that the face was going hard. The photo from behind with the driver face wide open pre impact I think shows the post impact face rotation pretty clearly. This is all part of why I’m so fascinated with this thing at the moment, I’m determined to get to the bottom of it…
Good discussion guys
Its amazing how much perceptions matter; after Aiguille’s post I could swear by that face open but not sure after Bom’s reply.
I’m writing and eating a steak dinner at the same time! Don’t know if that’s sad or cool
Anyway the forearm roll-over post impact as it appears visually is not really happening at all with Senior. The club has not crossed over or, in other words, moved left of center, and the lower right forearm still is on top of the L forearm. If the pivot continues firing, that relationship will be maintained for quite some time. “Seeing” a roll-over as a hitter is a recipe for some wayward shots…because if one tries to create that roll-over as a hitter the pivot will slow down by default. Seeing a roll-over for a swinger would be much more compatable…as a swingers club will go left of center very quickly post impact.
Gotta go…the dog is eyeing my grub RR
Apparently it’s my day to disagree…
I like simple, but I reckon that’s too simplified a description or explanation of what’s going, RR. There’s more to it than hitting/swinging, rollover/no rollover.
Bom wrote:
And we are all ears.
Sorry folks, held out as long as I could…
Range Rat asked
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Cool picture Bom…who’s the guy on the ground and what happened if you know. Did he get beaned or something?
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Actually, it’s one of the top five ridiculous moments in sports.
Guy on the ground in Don Zimmer (the Gerbil reference). The guy with the Hogan-like wind up is Pedro Martinez.
In a 2003 playoff game, Zimmer, then fully 72 years old, and royally pissed at Martinez over an alleged deliberate attempt to injure a teammate, charged the field with his version of “you want a piece of me!”
Can’t remember if Martinez drilled him in the grill or not, but the pix seems to show he just tossed the Gerbil on the ground.
Only at a Sox / Yankees game.
BTW Bom, do you have any pix of the trombone defense? Pretty sure we could work an ABS angle into that… . Maybe a testament to pure intent?
Cheers
hawg1
Thanks Hawg1…I thought that was D. Zimmer, but I never heard of him being nicknamed The Gerbil. I thought Cheese was saying that Bom’s shadow motion of himself was…well, looked like a gerbil. I didn’t understand what he meant at the time as it didn’t look like a fellow rat to me. RR