You are coming from a swinger’s perspective and belief system. Simple.
I would not expect you to understand hitting because I doubt you could execute it … if not for the simple example of using Dustin Johnson as an example… who uses a swinger’s release, pivot stall etc… and is not a model ball striker by any means… as far as I am concerned.
Another thing both you and Jeff Mann are completely in the dark on… is the effect of longitudinal acceleration that stretches the shaft lengthwise at higher speeds. Homer Kelley talked about this in chapter 2 of The Golfing Machine. It’s a very real thing.
Swings I’ve taken on videos etc… are demonstrating all types of things… on the course I am hitting all kinds of different shots. Swings with a ball, without a ball.
If the purpose of a video is to show holding shaft flex… then that is what I shoot and demonstrate it.
One thing you are correct on is that shorter golf swings make holding shaft flex easier. I made this point several times during the BBG videos if you watched them.
I’m not claiming anything. I shot a video and clearly held shaft flex through the lowpoint area without a ball there to distort the outcome. Simple… did it… done…
Full golf swings have nothing to do with whether it can be done or is possible. It’s possible and I did it.
A pitch shot from 30 yards is a full swing for that shot. So is a 20 foot putt. Holding shaft flex applies on those as well… and those shots have backswings that are appropriate for those distances.
You are correct, Dustin Johnson is a swinger… it isn’t happening in a hitter’s protocol. Can’t with that kind of release and a toe that is that active.
It has nothing to do with a “hitter or swingers perspective”, it has do do with realities of biomechanics, physics, and clubshaft design.
We ABSOLUTELY want as little lead deflection around impact as we can get. That’s one of the main purposes of shaft fitting.
I full well understand longitudinal acceleration of the shaft. ALL golf swings have force in the alpha, beta, and gamma planes and ALL golf swings have torques in the alpha, beta, and gamma planes. How much of each and when is what makes each golf swing unique.
You pull along the shaft in transition and early in the downswing. As the club changes position the direction of that gamma force changes. Once you get about halfway down the clubhead starts to move outside the arc of the hands. Then force across the shaft ramps up and you start torquing the club in the alpha and beta planes. And the hand path reaches low point around the tail leg and you start bending it up and in. The club is still pulling out and is speeding up very quickly. You end up pulling up and into yourself just holding onto the club. The net force is backward and up into yourself and hand speed can’t keep up. This is why the hands decelerate and why the shaft is in lead deflection. The net force is in and back, not forward across the shaft. It’s impossible.
That’s not a golf swing. Of course from that position you can just drive the force across the shaft and bend it back. That’s not what we do in a golf swing where the club throws outside the arc of the hands and we bend hand path and are pulling up and back on the club.
You are getting into some pretty “unscientific” areas here.
Is it a baseball swing?
A cricket swing?
I think 99.99% of people surveyed would view that as a golf swing…
In a “real” golf swing… does a ball need to be there?
What about a “practice” swing? Is that a real swing?
Is hitting a range ball a real swing or maybe not because it’s not on a “golf course”
Again, it’s very clear by your writing that you don’t understand the difference between swinging and hitting.
It has nothing to do with a “hitter or swingers perspective”, it has do do with realities of biomechanics, physics, and clubshaft design.
This pretty much sums it up… you have no idea that there are two ways to bring a golf club into impact. Once you learn the difference, then you will understand why this has been so frustrating for you.
That is not a golf swing. A golf swing hits a ball with a motion representative of a standard golf shot that would actually be played. Are you teaching an on course golf swing that starts at p3 with no ball or are you teaching a full swing that hits a ball that is used to play golf?
Obviously it would 100% be ideal to hook someone up to GEARS on the 72nd hole of the US open and measure them. That would be the purest data. That would also be against the rules of golf and entirely impractical and impossible with current constraints, so the best we have right now is hitting real golf balls in a GEARS studio.
I am open to the possibility that a golf ball could be hit with a lagging clubshaft with some kind of waist high swing that punches a ball under a tree or something. I don’t know for sure…id have to see that tested.
Your full golf swing hitting a ball does not have accelerating hands, does not have a frozen right arm, and does not have a lagging clubshaft into impact. It can be measured. It’s been said that it was offered for free. I’ve said I’d personally put a tank of gas in your car to get there. The ball is in your court.
I do agree with fore-thirty. When am’s think golf hit they think a lash at it. For me it will always be a golf swing. But this advanced ball striking program is adhering to its name. It’s an advanced way of moving the golf club. Where the face is stable thru the hit and not going away from the golfer flipping. You think this is all radical. Hate the burst your bubble. But all major golf instructors are trying to get all their pupils to swing the club this way. Or should I say hit. Some may never be able to move a club this way. But for the ones who can, good golf is on their radar for sure
