Two - I have no affiliation with those websites. I suspect John knows… 
Happy New Year! 
Got that covered right from the start. It certainly is NOT unknowingly… and NOT the case here. There is a three stage rocket firing process I work students through. Any suggestion there is some magic swing thought that is going to make it all happen without a fair amount of physical or biomechanical training… well… you would just be kidding yourself.
Understanding what needs to be done is one thing… but knowing how to train to actually do it… is what separates the players from the arm chair swing theorists.
GoLow…one question answered…some questions left standing.
I am still interested in hearing your comments about watching golfers- the serious yet frustrated ones- from afar that gives you a sense of enjoyment. What is it about their watching their session that makes it fun for you to watch. 
RR
Are we to merely imagine your suspicions Go Low?
What is it you suspect John knows?
What is the objective basis for your suspicions?
What is the constructive reason you throw this back on John?
Instead of the word “fun” I probably should have used a better word, such as “amusing”, which has the same meaning yet a softer feel to it. One thing about it, they certainly are never “boring” to watch, which is the opposite of the word “fun”…in case you did not know!
As I have already said, I meant no ill-will by the comment. But, on the other hand I know you guys are tough as nails and mean as rattlesnakes…and are looking for a cyber gang fight because I didn’t agree with the “entertainment” choice of songs sung by the choir. It’s always “amusing” to see adults acting like that. Have “fun”!
Golow,
It’s literally astounding the amount of assumptions you’ve gotten wrong, and this last paragraph really is the epitome of it all. You drove some of the soundest, most passionate, and decent people I’ve ever come across in the game, to their wit’s ends. Never do you ask, you lead with the assumption that people don’t know- this strikes me as your first problem. I don’t even know where to begin with the examples of that, but your statement in your post yesterday(which I read due to the fervor and angst you’ve generated) about Lag and Two probably using tangental acceleration but without knowledge of it, is the classic example of it. How do you know they do it without their own knowledge? Where does your totally ignorant certainty come from? Do you think you’re the only one that has ever thought about this? You sound like you do because no matter how many times the people here very kindly said to read around and you may see these things have been discussed already, you just kept rolling and telling like we were just making it up. I assume your problem with me stemmed from my post telling you that I was fully aware of the basics of your concept- it really is a well known idea, are you aware of that? Do you even care?
And then to turn around and play the victim in this post yesterday? How old are you? It’s just astounding to be honest. I wont stand back and let you fling insults at the people here because they’re undeserved, and they’re nothing but lies. You created this reaction fully and completely, and you should know that. As an outsider, I’ve had plenty of disagreements on here with different ideas, and I still do, but even if it gets heated, it’s still with the knowledge that there’s a purpose to it. You have that classic internet mentality that there aren’t people behind these posts, and you somehow conclude that you were the one treated unfarily by an internet mob, or whatever you called it. Again, another literally astounding inaccuracy. I stopped interacting with you because I could feel that wall you have that permits no conversation, and I only post to you now because of the things you’ve said here about people I’ve gotten to know over the last couple of years- all be it on the internet.
I know you’ll never acknowledge it, but you were offered no ill will here, you generated it yourself.
I love this one, RR. I have a Persimmon driver with soldering wire wrapped tightly at the end of the grip- it covers about two inches of the grip up from the base of it, and it’s wrapped over with duct take… I’m big on aesthetics like that To have the focus of acceleration right there is pretty damn cool… I highly recommend it.
Thanks Bom…great idea about the soldering wire too- I hadn’t considered that, although maybe I should have. A friend of mine uses that stuff wrapped around the neck of his putter for weighting. I’m going to give it a go soon…and I’m with you about aesthetics.
Just seemed like a good idea to have more weight close and below the hands, instead of the butt end. I was thinking once I determine how much weight small rat forearms and hands can handle, I can use some corks for stoppers and fill the inside of the shaft with the required weight. RR
GoLow…good, now we’re getting somewhere. Now let’s take your new word “amusing” and proceed a step farther. What specifically are those golfers doing in their session that amuses you. Or, if you are uncomfortable answering that directly, let’s try reversing it a little and ask the question this way: What could those golfers be doing differently during their session so that when you gaze upon them from afar it would not appear to be amusing to you. RR
Bom,
Yes, I’ve read through the old stuff. You know what I see? I see comments to non-ABS regulars (not ABS students or ABS followers) such as this:
“I have no interest in reading your theories, but i do have question for you.”
“If you have stood on the course and played with …”
“All lag’s students KNOW all of this because they are deep into the modules. It’s crazy arguing if you aren’t doing the work.”
“I admire your confidence, but hate your arrogance, that you can argue from your armchair with the likes of Lag and Twomasters… Thinking that you can work things out drawing lines on your computer.”
“Amen.”
“Hmm…credibility? Unless stated otherwise those sentences might as well have written by somebody at TMZ…”
The above are from just three pages of one single thread. I could find hundreds of similar negative and brush-off type comments made to people that [politely] disagreed with, or didn’t share the same opinion as, Lag or Twomasters. I think it’s great that the [forum] active ABS students think Lag and Twomasters are good guys and like the ABS training modules. However, I find it rather strange that you guys are like a pack of wolves that are ready to jump on people that don’t see things the same way as they do. They’re big boys - they don’t need you to jump up-and-down shaking your fist from row 7, isle D.
Do you have any thoughts on why more ABS students aren’t active in the forum? Do you have any thoughts on why the ABS forum doesn’t have many people posting (whether they are students or “outsiders”)? Do you have any thoughts on why the ABS forum doesn’t have many viewers? You only need to look at the examples above to see why!!! Most of the images and videos are good, but it’s not any different from other forums. Lag’s way of describing things about the golf swing are really good. However, it gets really old very quickly hearing about all the back-in-the-day stuff pertaining to how the game used to be played, and how equipment and courses have changed. And the persimmon and old clunker iron stuff, while nice as a hobby, is just way too much for most people. This is really a strange place in a lot of ways. I can see now why ABS hasn’t taken-off. And while you may be looking for brownie points from Lag and Twomasters for coming to their aide…it’s some of the active members (which are very few in numbers) that are largely responsible for ABS being so lackluster.
You asked; “I assume your problem with me stemmed from my post telling you that I was fully aware of the basics of your concept- it really is a well known idea, are you aware of that?” Fully aware? Basics? Concept? Well known? Idea? I think you just described your [lack of] knowledge of the topic, which happens to be a fact - not a concept or idea. And from an image I saw posted, along with a few comments - it’s clear that person has no clue whatsoever. But, that’s par for the course here.
Awesome. I’ve never bought the idea that something heavier was harder to accelerate- something heavier has more momentum once you get it started, so it’s then easier to accelerate. Another example of scientists fooking up up the game imo. Me and LCDV talked about this stuff when he was around. He’s one smart cookie…
I think you already know the answer to your questions. You’re obviously just playing little [rat] games, looking for “fun” and “amusing” stuff for self-satisfaction and “entertainment”. I’m not interested in playing your little sinister [rat] game.
Golow,
How dare you call RR anything resembling sinister… you’re the only thing that resembles negativity on this forum. Instead of going low, why don’t you just go away. You’re a damned liar.
Bom
I understand the frustration but thats exactly what GoLow wants, an excuse to bow out. But we want to hear from him on the Tangential Vs Centripetal acceleration stuff. GoLow I opened a thread for that kind of stuff on the public forum. Its all yours. And here is the link.
http://www.advancedballstriking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1740
Good call on starting the thread Macs.
I’m confident with my take on Golows motivations and transactional style given our short circular discussion, and reviewing the other posts. It was revealing to me in many respects, but I will keep them silent at this time as it may be embarrassing to the recipient.
Geez…GoLow, where have I seen that style, secrecy and condescending nature before.
Macs has paved a path for you…let’s see what you’ve got that can help us serious, yet frustrated golfers. RR
Go Low,
I made some of those brush off comments that you referred to, and I still stand by them, cause the theories put forward were by a 6 handicap. I am not really interested in what a 6 handicapper, a relative novice in the game has to say about the golf swing in all honesty. Would rather focus my time and efforts on what an expert has to say about such things.
All the best and Happy New Year.
More outside the box stuff for me. I like it. I had always figured weight should be added either at the butt of the grip, or clubhead. This is due to reading that on Jack Gout’s advice, Nicklaus had weight added under the butt of his driver grip. In fact, his driver was slightly SHORTER than regulation. So it was theorized that this counterbalance helped achieve distance.
I think Grout may have had a baseball background, and I figured he had seen this weighting stuff used on a bat, and must have been pleased with what he saw.
There is obviously more to it than my preconceptions. Again. This brings to mind a discussion thread last year with Gerry Hogan, regarding Bobby Jones’ ability to achieve superior clubhead speed using a hickory shaft that was heavy compared to today’s stuff( my recollection).
I am not sure I have interpreted correctly WHY Nicklaus tinkered with his driver. Apparently he didn’t think he was gaining distance. In Golf My Way, he says his driver was 42.75 inches long( doesn’t say which end was trimmed), weighed 13.9 ounces. He says he had a one ounce lead weight in the butt end, and the purpose was to slow his hands down.
But WHERE to put the weights, shaft weight, overall weight, swing weight… is an interesting thing to discuss. It would seem some decent studies could have been done…but I would think “Iron Byron” studies would only apply to people who swing their hands entirely on the shoulder plane. Otherwise, the results may not apply to someone who returns their hands to a very low plane.
Its really a simple thing to do. Remove the grip, add lead to the butt end (foil lead tape or epoxy some cork in the butt the melt some lead in and epoxy it in), then balance the swing weight by drilling lead into the head and epoxy it in. I recently posted on the how to flatten thread how much weight at each end seems to work.
I have a good few woods now at various swingweights and deadweights, most around D5 and 14 ounces. Have just rebuilt my Titleist 3 and 5 woods both at D5 and 15 1/4 ounces. Not really had a chance to hit them cause of the weather, but you can really feel the extra weight in your hands, especially during transition. Is the gravity drop easier with best part of an ounce of lead in your hands? 
Can tell I am going to have to get a lot stronger to use them and that my swing speed has come down a bit, but drilling with them, I am already getting there.
As much as lightweight hollow balloon clubs on sticks have been the craze in the last decade, Heavy headed drivers were the choice of the better players back in the last generation or two. Moe’s driver apparently was 16 ounces. I picked it up and felt it and can attest, but I never hit a ball with it. The butt weighting brings the feel (swing weight) back down to something more familiar while still keeping the mass in the head.
When the first graphite shafts came out in the early 70’s, I remember the pro at my course (club pros used to be guys coming off tour) had lead tape on the back of his driver, because he simply took the weight out of the shaft and put it into the head.
Good players weren’t interested in making clubs lighter… just moving the mass around, and into the head was the better idea.
I still agree with that idea.
I’ll make a point of building a one pound driver and butt weight it to about D6 and see what the results are. There is always something to learn in this game.