Then please enlighten us with how passive wrists are going to be leveraging the clubshaft so that the bottom of the grip end is going to increase speed (acceleration) against the resisting mass of the clubhead creating shaft flex if the wrists are simply passive hinges?
Please in enlighten us.
Well it probably depends upon how this is done… you sure better be trying to do something. Students here are trained extensively to work toward these ideals. There are strict protocols to follow, and the methodology to do so takes a high degree of supervision. You have mentioned trying to increase arm speed? I certainly don’t encourage independent arm motion in the golf swing.
Because the focus is on doing the work, not talking about it. Intellectually understanding the golf swing will not get anyone flushing the golf ball with knowledge alone.
Discuss all you like. The long draw out scientific debates that have taken place here or on other TGM type forums do little
to actually get players striking the ball properly. Even if you know, doesn’t mean you can DO.
Feel free to tell us how to hold shaft flex or any other topics to help us all improve our golf games.
I detect more than just a little bit of animosity and frustration. I learned a long time ago that’s never a good thing…especially on the golf course.
Don’t you think you’re being disingenuous by saying that I say; “what is being said is all cross talk and not correct”. That’s not true! I agree with most everything I’ve seen here. Should I post hundreds of messages saying “I agree”? As with any discussion people rarely say anything when they agree with something…but only get involved when they disagree or they want to learn more about the topic.
I have no need to prove myself to anyone “out there” (whatever that means)…anything but! You, nor anyone else here, know who I am…so what benefit would it be for an anonymous person to prove themselves to someone? That’s cyber weirdness that I can’t relate to…maybe you can.
I have no interest in starting a new thread. I replied to things that others have said…and brought up issues, considerations, information, and thought-provoking topics related to those things. I have little interest is going beyond stating why I believe as I do about the handful of things we disagree about, and have tried my best to explain in clear detail why I feel the way that I do. I personally do not think that short sarcastic comments are polite and the correct way to communicate with people that have been most courteous in every regard. And I’m just a non-student ABS forum member, not an ABS staff member or teacher. In hindsight maybe I should have known why there are so few non-members here. It is pretty much a closed-minded forum dedicated to a select crowd of like-minded people.
Most people do indeed take such information with a grain of salt. I understand that. They either don’t understand it or they’re not willing to research it on the own and learn about it. I was hopeful that what I posted along with the information in the two short, easy to read links I provided would peak your interest and you would research further. I am not the teacher - you and Lag are. I have no interest in a long back-and-forth discussion, regardless of how important it may be to your students…especially with the animosity and frustration I detect.
Since you’re the teacher I’ll let you learn how tangential acceleration can better help your students so you can enlighten them. You and Two no doubt already take advantage of it [unknowingly, which is almost always the case], which is what all good golfers do. Handicap golfers do it every once in a while out-of-the-blue and then wonder what in the world they did to hit such a long, straight, beautiful shot that sounded so different with maximum ball compression that left their body in such a perfectly balance pose looking just like Ben Hogan himself at his finished swing position.
I think I’ve pretty much stated how I feel (in the post above to Two) about starting a new thread and debating back and forth. I’m not interested in doing that. Maybe the member Mandrin will help.
My silence will be golden GoLow… Sorry to waste your precious time…(and especially mine)…maybe you could answer Lag’s questions above- and hopefully with an answer not just with a question.
Not sure why you won’t start your own thread?..but not a surprise.
I will make one more remark before leaving you and your posts alone for good:
As for the members/non students on the forum. You have no idea who ARE or ARE NOT students. So your remark is reasonably rude and insulting. I think you will find the ability to have anybody ask any question on this site is the biggest plus and attraction of the ABS forum. No censorship. No remark is left untouched or unanswered so to say the people on this forum are all “a select crowd of like minded people” is bordering on stupidity. You only have to read the threads and see we welcome everyone, because somehow, some way every person may have something to offer and have something to learn.
Lag is always more diplomatic than I am but I am sure you are testing everyone’s patience with your arrogance in your posts, so I tell it a bit more like it is on behalf of the majority… like good cop, bad cop
The people on the ABS forum site know who I am and trust my views because I earned their respect in many ways. Being a smart arse was not the way … being honest, up front and forth right and answering the questions put to me were my way of interacting with the people on the forum and that’s the main reason why I am here … to help people by using my own life experiences as a golfer, as a student and as a teacher. They know the source so they trust the source…even if my thoughts are right or my thoughts are wrong …it doesn’t matter to them or to me…and we discuss and look at each others point of view… I am not “Bill Nye the science guy” trying to run secret formulas by everyone , I earned my stripes by real life experience with the world’s best golfers and am helping whomever reaches this site (I hope) in some small way to wade thru the BS from all corners that confronts a golfer on their quest for improvement.
I/We really tried to offer you an outlet to offer something on this site, but you side step and avoid it like the plague which only gives everyone one logical reason as to why
Good Luck…I look forward to reading your responses to Lag’s questions. Maybe we can find a golden nugget in there somewhere?
** I see you replied to Lag with a non answer whilst I was writing this…that only enhances what I say… so we have to laugh heartily now so we don’t cry in frustration instead
Ok GoLow…from those you are watching from afar- those serious yet frustrated golfers- what is it about their session that actually makes it fun for you to watch? RR
I am no physics guy but probably as good as GoLow on googleology. This picture is based on my latest research on google and explains pretty darn good GoLow’s intention as a swinger and Lag’s intention as a hitter. For those who want a scientific explanation I am linking references from the same reliable sourse as GoLow.
PS: Very intresting as per the forst reference, it is the centripetal acceleration which keeps the rotating club head in its orbit and explains the increasing pressure in the hands from P3 to P4.
Throughout this thread recently, all I could think of was this song, and that one line…‘all along, there were hints and allegations…’ Oh, well, back to drilling…
Range Rat
On that note I will have to do some googling about rats too. I can never believe you were a computer novice a couple of months ago. Remeber that sneak to the other side. That was genius.
Quite the contrary actually. Many here realize that requiring scientific proof to validate a viewpoint is indeed closed-minded. If the ball continues to fly well week after week, why would we care if misapplied theories of science can’t back it up?
I hope you don’t request anyone in your family to provide proof that they love you.
Hey Go Low…“take the high road, it’s less crowded”…
Why not give us your answers and explanations, your OPINION, as related to a golf swing, to these questions you’ve posed?
There is an overwhelming attitude of acceptance here, but it can be easily switched off by the wrong approach…and hard to retrieve, kinda like OTT.
You’ve may have hit it out of bounds, this could be your mulligan.
You’re a better man than me, Eagle. Anyone who would think it’s fun to watch golfers struggle on the range, is smug and arrogant, disrespects the game and is bad for golf.
Lag’s comments to GoLow is causing the rat brain to work a little overtime. The comments were:
Then please enlighten us with how passive wrists are going to be leveraging the clubshaft so that the bottom of the grip end is going to increase speed (acceleration) against the resisting mass of the clubhead creating shaft flex if the wrists are simply passive hinges?
When I first read this comment, TM bubbles came to mind as I think they experimented with an area about 2 steps below the bottom of the grip on the shaft as having some benefit to moving the clubhead faster as I recall. Anyway, it seems to me that if I were to take a roll of lead tape and wrap some around a regular steel shaft at the same point a couple of beneficial things may result seen by a displacement from moving the clubhead faster ( as TM claimed ) to moving the shaft faster.
1. It would move the feel of the clubhead real close to the hands as long as the shaft was tipped accordingly to handle so much weight and pressure nearer the hands. Almost like having the clubhead, in relation to our grip, no farther away than the build up of tape around the shaft.
2. It would seem that the feel of having so much weight near the hands, but closely below the hands, would automatically force more acceleration of that concentrated mass near the hands. But again, I think the lower part of the shaft would have to be really stiff to handle that…especially near the clubhead.
RR
and Lag’s intention as a hitter. For those who want a scientific explanation I am linking references from the same reliable sourse as GoLow.
RR