It’s funny I wondered about him recently after starting Hogan mods. I remember all the talk when he won the PGA and striped it that one major. He had read Hogan’s 5 Lessons and followed it thus he swung like Hogan.
Over on this ABS forum thread: Scottie Scheffler Golf Swing - #3 by John_Sing , there’s some videos I posted of Scottie’s swing. While clearly he’s NOT Hogan-like in Overall Look….. Schleffer’s Post Impact Pivot Thrust is clearly VERY Hogan-like. IMHO Scottie has much more post-impact-pivot-thrust than almost anyone else. Could well be one of the reason’s Scottie’s ball-striking is so superior.
Dbain123, good point! Good slo-mo Down The Line video, thx for sharing that. I agree, it does look like Scheffler’s right elbow is not as fixed as Hogan’s.
From the Scottie Scheffler thread: Scottie Scheffler Golf Swing , the first post, it appears that different Scheffler swings may look different post-impact:
And I agree that in super slo-mo Scheffler iron swings such as this one, at :46 of this YouTube, it does appear Scottie’s right elbow is straightening (but not yet completely straight?):
So, learning from our ABS principles and applying the thinking process of “vapor trails” that John Erickson has taught us, the question before us we might consider (and ask Lagpressure and TwoMasters what they think?) is:
=> Does Scottie’s other-worldly-good-post-impact-pivot-thrust, make up for or mitigate that he isn’t holding his right elbow as closely as Hogan did?
That said, I do think we can all learn (and try apply in our own ABS swings), that these videos show that Scottie’s post-impact-pivot-thrust is other-worldly-good. Watch that left shoulder from :41 to 1:01 in the slo-mo face on. The club is trailing his body almost the whole way.
No real way to know in great detail. Super slow motion, high resolution video didn’t exist when Hogan was great…
Scottie’s obviously taller, swings more upright, and had significantly less lag. But the release patterns appear similar. I’d say he’s more like Nicklaus with a splash of Hogan in the release.
Terrific ball striker with an ability to win big tournaments.
He has a strong lateral move, really pressuring off the right foot and doesn’t open up early like many of his peers. He also has great post impact pivot thrust, very fast left shoulder rotation anchored by strong cohesive body tension and the right foot resisting in a clockwise motion. He keeps the clubface looking at the target, hands working low left and around keeping pressure on the shaft. These are all things we teach here at ABS.
Lagpressure, thx for sharing your opinion with us all. Helps us students test our student understanding / ability to accurately perceive (or not) the ABS principles in his swing. Thx again! .
Open clubface (skyward) at P3 and clubface at right angles to the shoulder rotation at P4. Limited right elbow straightening from P3 to P4. We also prefer to not see handle raising through the strike.
We like to see shoulders and hips rotating through the strike, not stalling. Weight transferring from right foot to left foot through the strike.
Yes Scottie does not keep the trail arm/elbow tucked and unflexed throughout the strike zone. Scottie is what we call a middle core balance player. His trail elbow gets just inside the trail hip and that is his power zone also players like Adam Scott , Ernie Els are also middle core players and you will see their trail elbow in very similar positions and these players will utilize vertical, lateral and rotational ground forces pretty equally.
Now in contrast players like Hogan, DJ , Speith to name a few which are lower core balance players get their trail elbow much deeper inside the trail hip and they utilize more rotational and lateral ground forces and minimum vertical forces.
Then we have the final group upper core balance players who use more vertical force and rotational force but not a lot of linear force and their trail elbow rides right on the trail hip like players like Phil Mickleson, Patrick Reed and Laurie Davies just to name a few. At the end of the day the players stance width, grip assembly and balance in motion will dictate how a player trail arm/elbow performs in the golf swing.
Every player will have one of the key core zones that feels more natural to them then they would have to drill and train really hard to move into one of the other zones but we have found it’s possible with diligence and tenacity.