And those mystery Hogan Personals are really Mizuno’s, probably something akin to MP-29’s. I went through my old club books and emailed a friend, Hogan never made anything like those heads. Stuff like this pops up every once in a while, usually when tour players switch brands and hate the new stuff, they have heads made up by their old manufacturers stamped with the new company. Like the last 2 years of DLIII’s Tommy Armour 845 contract he played Titleist blades stamped ‘Silver Scot’ rather than the crap.
I’m ‘play’ bidding on a few sets in the UK just now.
Hoping to sneak in a real steal on some mizunos, auction has a few more days to run so its unlikely but we’ll see.
That’s interesting Lecoeurdevie. I have some Hogan irons with Legend steel shafts shafts, ( Apex shiney circa 1978, and Apex ll silouhette)…does this mean that putting heavier shafts is not a good idea, that only lead tape can help the heads?
The Apex’s are in such great shape, would hate to put lead tape on them…the Silouhettes are beat up, no problem with tape on those.
eagle
Here’s a nice lot of persimmons:
cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … K:MEWAX:IT
Good value for the price asked (even for the Buy it now price) I’ve asked the seller for a list:
1 wood macgregor eye o matic tourney (loose string)
1 wood cleveland classic oil hardened rc85
4 wood cleveland classic oil hardened rc 85 (used)
1 wood tony penna tp85 oil hardened
1 wood tony penna orginal oil hardened
1 wood macgregor eye o matic oil hardened t85 velocitized
3 wood macgregor eye o matic oil hardened t85 velocitized
3 wood macgregor eye o matic oil hardened m86w
4 wood macgregor eye o matic oil hardened t85 velocitized
1 wood tony penna tp85 oil hardened
1 wood macgregor eye o matic tourney oil hardened 945w
1 wood toney penna mod 1 hand made coustom (on bottom)
one moore i missed it is new but a dup of above lot
13 clubs in all
I think I’ve seen a MacG 945W in excellent condition sell for + $300 earlier this year. Too bad I can’t spend this type of money on clubs at the moement otherwise I would be seriously tempted.
I am certain I have read about the Hogan personal models before, and look I’ve even seen sets before:
golfwrx.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=72913
Their copies of the original Hogan Precision irons from '53. The Mizuno’s (MP29, MP14, TN87, etc) all look very much like this model.
I’m sorry but that link won’t give me access to any of the attachments so I have no idea what it is. All I know is that those headshapes aren’t in any of the back inventory logbooks from the foundary in Ft Worth in any year up to '02 which has every single spec head and forging guide that the company ever produced. I xerox’d them myself on a few different occasions, it may be the last complete log left as all the backstock was sold or thrown away when the foundary closed.
As for the old 70’s shafts, all hogan steel shafts are classified as ‘lightweight’. That was a directive of Hogan himself. He wanted as much of the mass as possible in the extreme butt and behind the ball, not in the middle of the shaft. I personally have never hit those old Legend shafts, but if they’re what I think they are, the weight is comparable to an apex with a little higher kickpoint. I always played DG’s and have never had signifigant headweight problems going from Apex’s to DG’s, I just wanted what I was already used to and besides the hogan shafts had a way lower kick and weren’t even frequency matched for most of the time I was on staff.
Generally speaking you can switch any steel for any other steel and get a comparable swingweight by adjusting the length a touch, like 1/4". It is a much better option in my opinion than lead tape because it doesn’t change the COG or weight distribution of the clubhead. Whenever exotics get involved are when the really bad numbers roll around. This is what makes buying old clubs on ebay or anywhere else you don’t see them and inspect them first such a crapshoot. Chances are they have changed hands so many times over the years no one knows what the orignal specs and setups were.
For any one who is interested. Trying to find creative ways to pay for my lessons with Lag.
$90- 1957 Macgregor Colokroms 3-9 iron.
$50 - 1950-54 Macgregor M75T’s 2-pw (3 Iron is a 1963 Mac CF4000 M3, 7 iron is a rec. M85)
Pick up a M85 or M75 3 iron and you have a great starter set.
$110 - 1969 Hogan +1 2-9 irons
$75 Powerbilt Levelume H&B 3-pw
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Let me know if you are interested. I also took an inventory of a golf collector older clubs in San Jose. Here’s what he has.Let me know if any of these clubs are of interest and what you want for them and I’ll see if I can get them for you.
Hogan apex II, 2-9 iron
Hogan producer, 3-9 iron
Haig ultra 63-64, 3-9 scuffed soles
Haig 1966, 2-9 iron
Tony Lemas, 2-pw
Titlelist 69-72 2-pw
Ken Venturi forged blades
Mac MT3 cf4000 2-8 iron
Mac MT Tourney M1T CF4000 1964 2-9
MT by MacGregor RT2 (std sole) 1970 2-9 + mismatched 1 iron
Dx tourney ldx3
Powerbilt citation 61 or 62 2-pw
Powerbilt 74 citation 2-pw
not sure why the pics got messed up when i uploaded them. i’ll post a link to the pics tomorrow.
cheers, papi
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Legend!!! Thanks for this tip. I’d messaged a few of these US guys that claim to not ship worldwide and they were firm on their stance, and wouldn’t send anything. But in any case I asked this guy, pointing out that someone previously sent me a full set through USPS, and surely enough, he agreed. Got the set for $38, unfortunately another $90 for shipping, but I’m still very pleased, as they look in great shape in the pictures. Even the driver looks OK. Would like some longer irons and a wedge, but this is a very good start.
So, yes, next time you are in Sydney, you have beers waiting for you 
Does this include the Apex shafts fitted to the 03 50th Anniversary Apex blades? These clubs feel so distinctive to me regarding their balance, it makes me feel like I am going to flush the ball on every shot! Needless to say I love these clubs…
Some Hogan Directors. Buy now or make offer. Doesn’t show faces, but has 100% w/16700 sales. 2- PW apex 4 shafts
cgi.ebay.com/Ben-Hogan-Director- … 5637a579f0
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Some more lefty DynaPowers…
One more. Already have a set. Hogan Redlines - with #5 (extra stiff) shafts. Couple of hours left.
cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … K:MEWAX:IT
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Hogan started making matched shafts in like '98 or '99 and they were stock on everything from then after. Those '03s are really pimp. Nice stuff, almost a shame to scuff 'em up.
Thanks for that information… greatly appreciated.
I’ve lusted after some of these Redlines for awhile. I let a very reasonable BIN on ebay go trying to save a few bucks on a mint set … I think they ended up going for 2 to 3 times the BIN price. 
Is it true these were the first set Hogan made with box grooves? Would these be legal in a USGA qualifier in 2010?
robbo
That set is circa 1988. The first Apex with U-Grooves was the '94 Channelback after the Karsten Court case. Besides I don’t think there is any way to accurately measure the grooves on a nicked up 20 year old forged set onsite at a golf tournament. It’s not like you’re showing up with 1st generation Ping Eye2’s.
L,
Thanks for the info. I didn’t realize the channelbacks were the first. Speaking of… is it just me or is that one of the Hogan designs you rarely see in play?
What IS supposed to happen in 2010 with the groove issue as it relates to USGA events? Is the USGA putting out a list of conforming clubs? I’ve heard they are, but 2010 is almost here.
robbo
Personally I think the CB is the worst Apex ever made, it was a spec model made for Tom Kite that got thrown on the market simply because the company undersold the '92 Apex (my babies, I refer to them as Redlines when they re really just '92 Apex’s) and they hadn’t come up with any head designs that offered any marketability. The CB’s were a real long blade that could be marketed as quasi-game improvement, easier to hit. I hate them, too big and ugly as sin. I was attracted to Hogan for the '92’s. I like as compact a head as possible and I liked that that model had better weight distribution than MP29’s (more topweight) and were way smaller than the FG51’s, the only other forged blades I had access to.