I’m having a great time putting together these photo thoughts. I find they’re really good for capturing/achieving goals while playing so I figured I’d throw them on here to see if they’re helpful for anyone…
Two things are on my mind for a bit now…
Looking at the baseball player above - thinking about Moe Norman - after impact - if you do it correctly, is it supposed to feel like your arms are trying to pull you “into the golf course” - even from a hitter standpoint? I assume if you dont do it correctly, you feel a lot less pull since in that case your upper body in relation to the lower body is positioned incorrectly (upper body too much forward already and spine tilt almost 90° to the ground) and there is not much left that “the club can pull into the golf course”?
Should a proper action remind me a bit of a “reverse pivot” shortly after impact and into P4?
The second thing - firing the hips. Again, if you do it correctly (not letting the legs break down during the different phases of the swing (right leg on the backswing - left leg on the way back)) does the hip slide still feel like a “sway”? But i guess its impossible to sway to the outside of your “boundries” you set yourself with your stance width when you dont break your legs down?
I would say that the club should feel like it’s accelerating, and if you’re accelerating in some sort of rotational manner, then it will feel like it’s pulling you out into the golf course. BUT, you don’t want to feel like your arms and hands are pulling you out into the golf course, they should feel active and strong in the rotation. This will actually make the club want to pull away from you more. It’s a weird feeling to describe- for me it feels like pulling up and away and around behind with my legs/pivot/back etc., but I feel like I’m pulling/pushing hard out and in and down and around with my arms and hands, particularly with the last three fingers on my left hand. You’re doing two things at once which is why it’s difficult to describe- you’re creating the force that you’re trying to contain, and containing the force that you’re trying to create. It’s weird but it’s actually an instinctive sort of action really. The low left shoulder actually comes from trying to leverage up. If you think about it for a second, when you pull up on something, you’re actually leveraging away from it and then pulling down this is because you’re never directly above it, you’re to the side of it.
With the hips, firing the hips is a disaster if it’s done alone. There’s no use creating speed in them, whatever they are, if it’s not transferred up and out to the club. I see this as connected to Lag’s Cohesive Body Tension, or I see that as a good phrase to capture this thing. Without that tension connecting the body, fast hips are as useful as fast shins.
Good questions. It’s a confusing sort of area due to the opposites in place.
The cohesive body tension is just so huge.
Everyone talks about Hogan’s lesson after the Shells Match, but take a look at Snead’s. We talked about Snead yesterday on the ABS Radio show… and I always think about what he said.
Watch it again…
“A nice firm body, for a nice firm shot”
I’d never heard this one… so much said in in so few words…
There was some talk an a thread somewhere that I can’t remember or find about modern pivot stall swings, and there was a video of Villegas- I’m not sure that he would be a classic version of the pivot stall swinger, though he’s not great. Anyway, someone was saying how Rory was also in the pivot stall group but I just don’t agree at all, and it links to this conversation about what’s pulling you out into the course. It’s often as valuable to see what you don’t want as much as it is to see what you do want- hence the guy on the right. Rory, to me, is a sort of evolutionary step in the golf swing that’s come about because a real natural talent learned the game with modern equipment, among other things. He manages to incorporate the qualities from both classic hitting and swinging, and makes it look effortless and natural. I really think there’s a lot to be learned from his action…
In these photos, the phrase ‘one of this things is not like the other’ comes to mind…
Yes…straight right leg…vertical shoulders…loss of ground work…hands have to speed the club because the body is toast and has nothing to work off…flipper
PGA Stick Men as Lag refers to them by
Why is this an accepted method for teaching these days? It can be seen everywhere, all the time and amazes me beyond belief…
here’s another flipper who actually does it the right way… 
That’s a nice example of a hitter vs swinger release. Over the long haul, I’ll put my money on the hitter tee to green.
Not sure who putts better, but you better be making lots of putts if you are going to flip stall release it all the time.
I think “Flipper” is secretly a hitter 
Trying out RangeRats opposing forces ideas in the swing was a real light bulb moment for me ie. Hook intentions on the down swing and slice intentions on the follow through… wow!
I was wondering if I could find any others, and Hogans supinating left wrist at impact came to mind.
If you put together a right hand TGM vertical hinge intention (like a lob shot), and a strongly supination left hand intention they magically cancel out and wow square club face… some really nice compression of the ball.
Something to play around with 
It is pretty neat how opposing forces work…nice going. But the credit goes to Lag…so does the debit. Opposition is everywhere. RR
I would agree in that he/she moves correctly. I reckon all animals are functional movers because they survive and exist essentially on instinct. Us humans are the only species I’m aware of that have motion difficulties. They arise mostly out of our sedentary existence, but also when he play our funny games where we think we know more about how to move than we actually do.
Bom said
This reminds me of something I read that John Schlee said …I think it was in his book or video Maximum Golf. Something along the lines of “I just recently learned how to walk.”
It made me scratch my head, thinking…man this is a weird dude…but now I think I know what he meant.
So true. He’s got my kind of weirdness 
I might have to look into some of his stuff…
Cheers…
Had some interesting feelings about hips primarily, and legs secondarily, the other day after fixing a plane shift issue I saw on tape and that I talked about on the Lightbulb thread. I think the plane shift issue was from early acceleration instead of first lowering properly.
When the drop is finished ,and we’re lower to the ground than we were at address, when turning to fire low and left out of P3, there was a feeling past impact that the hips were still turning left ,and the legs were reacting to that process, but only to a point. Not to far past the ball…as the shaft was moving left…I started to feel some “restriction” for lack of a better word.
It was like the hips and legs and core were getting things low and left…but just past the ball until about P4 there was an ever increasing feel of the lower part of the body being more and more spent as the shaft approached P4. Anyway, from P4 there was a sense that since the hips and legs did their work and felt spent or “tightly restricted from further movement”…the arms then took over- came off the chest a little- and moved upward in a vertical relationship which took the shaft to vertical…then the finish swivel completed the hip and leg movement that previously felt restricted up to that point. RR
Well here’s a feeling courtesy of Mall Rat. I asked her if she wanted to post her own words this morning and she said…“leave me alone, I’m eating my oatmeal.”
Last year she and my sister went white water rafting in North Carolina on the French Broad River.
She and I were discussing going there in the near future. I have never done that before so I started asking some questions, as rats don’t swim too well. I asked her if they were strapped down somehow to the rubber raft. She said no. I then asked how in hell does one stay within the raft during those rough times in the rapids. She said, “we paddled”. That made no sense to me as being a way of keeping in the raft and not falling out…so I pressed on. I asked her what the guide said to the tourists about falling out. That’s when Mall Rat shined, although unknowingly.
She said they were told that by paddling downward into the water from high to low, they are lowering themself into the wall of the inflatable rubber raft, and the lower they each got the better their balance would be because their weight is lower, and could get more power into the paddle.
Hmmm…the Rat starts to think: Lowering into the raft’s wall and lowering into the ground, a club or a paddle, blades of grass or ripples of water, oar and club getting low and left…
Told the wife…“I’m there, let’s go white water rafting…I may be a natural.” Of course she just gave me that gaze again, so I just let her finish her oatmeal in peace. Thanks to Mall Rat for that one. 
I’m working on creating a feeling(s) with pictures. Can anyone feel this? It’s based on an internal image of size/strength during certain parts of the swing. The sizes correlate to effort or intent, or a containment and expanding of energy. Early doors in the experiment but just wanted to throw it out there for assessment. Any thoughts? I find the images useful, and you can play around with the sequencing and/or sizes based on what you need yourself. This one is personal to me at the moment, but I think it makes general sense too.
Bom, this is really good IMHO.
Thanks for plugging this imagery into my head.
1teebox
It must be incredibly hard–and no doubt the crux of what we are trying to do here–to make the first two images the appropriately small size compared to the last two.
Bom - most certainly an applicable set of images. When I’m striking it well your sequence/sizing is what I feel… when I’m struggling you can simply swap the last 2 image sizes with the first two and that’s what I feel then.
crr - no doubt it’s not easy and I think in large part it’s due to our focus on that little white round thing on the ground in these pics. 
robbo
Neat cool idea Bom. And it deserves some more thought and application. It seems it could be a great teaching tool, adaptable to what a golfer needs to be trying to feel. And if the size of the picture correlated to sound volume, these would say “turn up the volume post impact!” It’s hard to imagine that what you have submitted wouldn’t be applicable to nearly everyone.
The way you have varied picture size reminds me of a homunculus…or a distorted picture representation of the relative space occupied by sensory or motor neurons in the brain.