The only lazy floaty I have is in my toilets. When they get “lazy”, I have to take the cover off the tank and fix 'em. 
Probably the best Hogan-esque move I have.
Captain Chaos
Do you guys think Hogan has a low and left release intent?
Yes. Low & left, then vertical. Like Lag’s “PV5” position in module 3. There’s a great video of hogan on here somewhere in the private section that shows his hand path very clearly. Definitely around and low, then up in a big way.
That position is a result if post impact acceleration, the club just wants to fly straight up in the air.
You really have to leave the idea of the golf swing plane being a 2D flat surface. It’s not for anything more than a short chip shot, and I would even argue that to some degree.
The golf swing happens in 3D, not 2D. You only really want to be on plane for a very short time… right through impact, and even then, to get there properly is going to be created by opposing forces working the shaft from 3D, flat and laid off to on plane to low, left, around, then up… which ends up with a steepening of the shaft from P4 to PV5 or finish. This is the best way in my opinion to keep stress on the shaft as long as possible. That stress holds shaft flex, locks in big sensations of feel into our hands and compresses the ball much better than a stall and slap or CF passive throw.
This is Martial Arts 101. Acceleration THROUGH and BEYOND the point of impact. Hogan talked about reaching maximum speed well beyond impact. Gary Player talked about the same thing. This is nothing new. Good geometry, good physics, better golf shots.
The great strikers hit from their core and in unison with forearm rotation. No one did this better than Hogan that I have seen.
Peter Senior in his prime was pretty close as was Knudson, Frank Phillips and Greg Norman and Player, Snead, DeVicenzo and a host of others.
If you work the shaft low and left and saw it off and don’t go up, you are leaving too much on the table. The shaft will start slowing down prematurely and you will lose power. You can hit it straight like this, I think of Justin Leonard. But if you learn it correctly, then you can have both power and wonderful accuracy.
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With his R shoulder going down more vertically, and his L elbow still in front of his torso and not chicken winging, how could he have an intent to release low and left? Of course hand path will not be exactly vertical from hands position at impact and thereafter…but it is definitely not being released low and left…as shown in this picture…
And at this point, his shoulders are still turning vertical and L elbow still in front of torso…
So how could that be low and left???
How can we see low and left from a face-on view?
You are looking at spine tilt not steep shoulders. The upper arms are packed upon the body keeping the hands low and left.
The view needs to be from DTL not in front… agreed.
Posts some pics and put this to bed lag
Steve
Hogan, low, left, around, then up.
Modern tour player, out, out and away.
Hogan uses a pivot driven release. The masterful technique. You can’t do this with a hand flick or a stalling pivot. Notice the movement of the hips and torso in each frame.
The modern tour players are throwing their hands at it with a stalled rotation and this is the core reason we are not seeing the next great ball striker. The pivot makes a quick jerk at transition to get the club accelerating early, then acceleration reaches zero, and the club releases with passive arms and hands essentially flicking at the ball.
The scientists making clubs think golf is a light weight velocity game when in fact it is an acceleration of mass game.
If you can’t see the difference here, then you might need an eye exam.
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Boom and there u have it…
Thanks
Steve
Hogan took a major moving part out of the swing. The right elbow through impact. The modern player is having to time the release and straightening of the right arm into and beyond impact. The problem with the modern player is that the straightening of the right arm is also closing the clubface. The legs are straight because the right arm is extending in a feeble attempt to control lowpoint. It’s not the best way to do it.
The controlled swing is gone, so they put the modern pros on relatively short wide open courses with little rough so they can hit it anywhere and have a short iron into the green from either the fairway or off the fairway. They get pool table greens to putt on so up and down is a piece of cake and 4 free birdies a round on par 4’s they call par 5’s. Put any of these guys back in Hogan’s era and it would be a BIG wake up call.
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Amen
Did u see Rory’s effort on 18 ?
Steve
I am talking about INTENT…if Hogan’s intent is to release low and left, he would slice the hell out of his baby fades…
So you are suggesting that Hogan tried to release up out and away with steep shoulders… but when he actually went through impact the shaft went low, left and around with lever shoulders?
Really?
He just turned his shoulders truly perpendicular to his bent over spine/neck angle/tilt and maintained the connection in his upper arms…so the perp turning of shoulders is more vertical, not flat as you suggest, then together with L shoulder external rotation and L side extension and then full frontal extension the clubhead travelled less curved/left and less flat/low. Explains his very high hands (in contrast to a low hands due to low and left release such as Justin Leonard).
But if you’ve got totally no L side extension and full frontal extension, yeah low and left release is the only option if you are to rotate the forearm and keep the connection…
Definitely not level shoulders:
Here’s a very good sequence…impact, post impact and halfway into follow thru still not level…
So you are suggesting that Hogan tried to release up out and away with steep shoulders… but when he actually went through impact the shaft went low, left and around with lever shoulders?
Really?
You can go as hard low and left as you want as long as you slot it to match upon entry into P3…
I can only guess that you are speculating upon a steep shaft on the downswing… and then yes… you would be correct, one would slice it off the planet or shut the face down and hit the ball long and left over the green.
Hogan’s intentions were to slot the club deep via forearm rotation… hit as hard as he could with the right hand… turn level left… keep the upper arms packed onto the body well past impact and finish with good posture. It’s what he did, and it’s what he said he did.
In relationship to his spine angle… very level… I am not using the ground as a base reference.