Yup,
I like the anti-one piece take away explanation… I see as well a fast elevating and opening clubhead.
His clubhead is almost never outside his hands and he keeps it inside for the rest of his swing.
This is the swing he did after the explanation:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLTW-rSJu58[/youtube]
Great how he managed distance control thru different backswing durations and armtravel:
Chris
He seemed to be gesturing about trajectory and maybe distance control.
Even on a shorter swing… you can see the club slot and the ferocious acceleration going through impact. This is how you really get the ball to hold it’s line even in the wind.
Am sure you already know this, but Hogan used his foot placement to manage his backswing length, opening his stance to restrict his backswing with the short clubs and closing his stance to pre-turn his hips with the wood.
This may be the best video/gif I have seen to show how Hogan turned the club into impact from 430 delivery on a shallow path… in my mind this shows EXACTLY how to get the club into impact with turning the forearms and wrists into impact perpendicular to his spine and target line and not coming down steep and having to uncock the wrists fully into a vertical point onto the strike and throw the shaft line up the shoulder and then throw the club everywhere with the hands … like we see much much more of in today’s actions
I don’t know why this video kind of reminded me of the great ballstrikers and what is missing today, but what the hell…great fun. Lots of creative license here with this video, so forgive me…
‘I’m lookin’ behind us now, across the count of time, down the long hall into history books.’
'And they does the pictures, so they ‘member all the knowledge that they lost…’
‘It were a gang called Turbulence.’ (USGA)
Received a prompt this morning from someone reviewing old posts.
These tie into Two’s post from April 29th, and cross pollinate form Super Slotting…
( unfortunately the pictures did not transfer)
This is a re-posting from early January, and below a post by Lag from April 5th on the"Super Slotting" thread.
Ssome pics for the above post…
this isn’t quite the repost i was looking for but it does offer some insight into my formed thinking
per “the bogie man” by george plimpton, as recounting a conversation with A PRO-AM PRO PARTNER, hogan had the yips, and as such, putting could cause hogan great problems
THIS IDEA was furthur discussed by plimpton with claude harmon, who indicated HOGAN preferred the air game, whereas the pro had greater unfettered control of the ball, as opposed to putting, where all manner of ground irregularities potentially could divert and change the balls path mercilessly
i am however continuing to locate the precise source of the basis for my initial comment
frankD
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Pure ART.
Personally I prefer much more Mr. Hogans swing in the 60´s to 70´s -
I think it is technically more advanced - especially the right forearm… pre secret he came into the
release point with an right elbow above the plane and more in pitch and this forces a fast closing rate
of the clubface.
Later he figured out that the right forearm has to be at release point on plane and even for his Draws he
goes sometimes below plane and from pitch more to punch… Just my opinion.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2yb7I5gIgY[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UNPuac_P2g[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4tFf-5u9RA[/youtube]
BTW all my posts are just my opinion… I am not a student of ABS, but a fan…
Chris
Eagle,
This Lag quote from the old LTLGM thread is relevant to very interesting re-post;
Good find aiguille. That looks like a real nugget.
Chris,
If I had a guess at the demonstration video with the hand gesture, I think he’s showing the length of his back swing.
First take it back with the hands and arms, only then the shoulders engage. That way, my backswing is only “this” long… with the rest of the back swing being shoulder / torso wind up.
He kept making it simpler and simpler.
He truly kept making it simpler and simpler from 56 to 67…
I think too, he is showing the lenght of his true back swing.
I have the feeling he takes it back with the pivot and internal rotation of his shoulders and from hip heigh it is only arms…Some people think he uses massive extensor action in his right arm to keep his left arm straight.
I have the feeling he is pulling with his right arm and this gives the appearance of pivot in the 2nd
part of his backswing… We will never know…
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCvDVz8WLKs[/youtube]
Chris
Look at the man on the right watching…he gestures to the man in the left his R hand sorta taking away the club…
Lol…didn’t actually see that video posted by Chris…
Take a look at this at 1:42 mark:
Copy here from SS post
Look at the 2nd man on the right watching…
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWKU8o3ewZc[/youtube]
SVSV,
I don´t know, why KOC took the voice of David Orr´s video of powerpackage 3n4 out of contex to this Hogan footage…
Do you believe it is a RFT… come on - you know that a RFT is a right shoulder takeaway and then you end
with steep shoulders and a lifted elbow… not Hogan ( maybe in his early years…) he moved both
shoulders independently. The arms are stopped from lifting too far by the early shift to the left axis of the Lower COG.
What we see in later Hogan is Proprioception.
Smaller to medium arc sizes on the backswing due to something called proprioception which is the brains ability to control the body in 3 dimensional space…the closer the club and hands are to the body during the swing WITHOUT SACRIFICING structure and extension… the better the golfer’s awareness of whats going on.
How he did it I am not sure, but RFT… TGM would call it special… 
Chris
I actually don’t believe in RFT, nor agree with Orr’s dubbing…but I think Hogan is emphasizing in there, based on the feedback also by the 2nd man doing something with his R hand, that the R wrist should bend back immediately…so I think Hogan is saying definitely no to a one-piece takeaway…
Hogan said in 5L that the R elbow should hardly move during the 1st half of the BS and that it helps if the upper R arm is kept as close as possible to the right side of the chest…how do you do that with the L arm and hand as the controlling arm/hand? I think that is what HOgan is answering…he is describing how the R hand, wrist, elbow should act or move given what the L arm and hand will be doing…I think he is just saying, do this or else you won’t have a pitch elbow on top…but I don’t think Hogan is saying that this R arm action is the one that brings or pulls everything into place on top…
But I think the main thing is bending back the R wrist without moving the R elbow relative to the body…it moves of course, but it moves because the body moves/pivots… I like the Joe Dante, Joe Norwood and Abe Mitchell stuff on this R wrist movements…but its secondary to the L hand/arm…HOgan said you gotta use your L arm…
Chris,
I think Hogan had steep shoulders, though the R shoulder not much. Yeah agree with you, the shoulders act quite separately or independently. But the L shoulder turn quite steep. I agree with the L side bend/flexion/tilt stuff by MORAD/SnT–only way to do that shoulders and arms turning parallel to the Hogan plane of glass WHILE STILL KEEPING THE ARMS CONNECTED, especially the R arm. If you don’t turn that L shoulder low under the chin and steep, and you keep the R arm connected on the armpit, you’ll end up turning your L arm too flat…gravity don’t play a part at all, and IMO that is a BIG HELP/DEAL…not to mention that the upper center will move and the spine angle won’t be stable enough to allow maximum turn and clubhead speed…
SV