Thoughts on Ben Hogan

The height of Hogan’s hands intrigue me. As ABS/Lag has highlighted before, the degree of straightening of Hogan’s right elbow is more than many others. Hands are below crotch. It feels very weak…but must be strong. Look at his degree of straightening when he still has some pivot prior to impact.
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Henry Cotton was similar …
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But not Nicklaus…so obviously there is more than one way to skin the cat.
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Hitting it past the chin…I like how Hogan’s torso is erecting here, and he’s created more space b/w his chin and right shoulder, allowing the torso to accelerate. and still plenty of kneebend, something I’m trying to do more of.
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Here’s some stuff for ya’…I think the genesis for the Sunburst Logo may have come from the Texas and Pacific Railway Station where Hogan worked part time peddling newspapers for his brother Royal. Ben must have surely seen this on numerous occasions. Look real close at it as it has an interesting universal dynamic- the keyhole.

Let you know where this is going as soon as I finish up the hardest part of the artwork, but I think they gives the clue to how he may have saw, and therefore executed, the process overall on a completly subconscious level.

Here’s where it stands now. Will keep you guys posted…hope these come out, not sure of the pixel allowance on some. :slight_smile:
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What the heck…sneak preview just for ABS

The question becomes:

Are the arcs R’s…or R the arcs R’s

The answer becomes:

They R.

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Good stuff RR! I like the way you get the wheels turning. :wink:

Let’s keep Hogan alive!

I finally picked up the 5 modern lessons and read through it trying to unravel its meaning and find those ‘opposing force’ feelings. Back track about 6 months ago, I played a 9 hole round and had the best ball-striking spree. Didn’t keep score, just played for fairways and GIR’s. Despite just picking up the ball once I landed it on the green(hate putting btw). If I two-putted all the greens I hit I would of shot 2 over which is pretty epic for my usual 80+ rounds. My goal at that time was to basically practice ‘waggling’ while feeling out the target and forgetting about the ball. I didn’t take a single divot instead I skimmed the grass just past the ball with constant acceleration and complete balance. I didn’t try to power anything yet all the shots came off straight and far from quality contact. The kind of flight that you see fall every so slightly both left AND right after hitting the apex. My guess was the wind was the only thing moving the ball. :sunglasses:

I lost the feeling for it that very next day. I was back to digging divots and missing both left and right. Flash forward yesterday after reading about ‘waggling’ I realized that’s where I had to get the feeling back. If I didn’t feel ‘locked’ in for a good swing in the waggle there was no sense making a swing. Hogan talks about NOT trying to groove your waggle because that’s your ‘shotmaker’ so to speak. Different shots: High, low, left, right, long, short. I realized though that the ‘bow’ in the left wrist Hogan talks about makes its FIRST appearance in the waggle. I picked up a club in my living room, take a proper grip and began to ‘feel’ for the weight of the head while visualizing a specific shot in my head. I ‘felt’ for that illustration of Hogan’s ‘bow’ at impact during the waggle. ~module 1 kinda~

I haven’t been so anxious to get back out on the course now. I feel like the quest for success is near. Every swing I take with a good preset ‘bow waggle’ is neither blocked or flipped. Just as solid as a rock no matter how much force I put behind it. I’ll report back with some footage and pics soon. This is going to be the longest work week ever! :ugeek:

Is there television footage of the 1960 usopen which featured palmer nicklaus and hogan? If there is where is it?
That tournament sounds like it was LEGEN … wait for it… DARY!

Great stuff on Furgol.

Put the left hand grip on as described in 5L, THEN move the club into the center of the body, with butt of the club pointing at your zipper.

The grip will appears stronger in this way, because of the angle created with the left arm when the club is placed nearly on the saggital plane at address.

Give it a try, grip first, then move to center.

I always put the left hand on first, then move it to center.

The guy in that picture from the 1952 masters is NOT Ben Hogan. Hogan didn’t wear large paisley print shirts, and his right knee is too far UP for Ben. Nice action though.

This image reminds me EXACTLY of the graphics on the 1962 Power Thrust irons.

NOT a conicidence.

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That is really neat.

Where else is one going to encounter this kind of stuff?

when i’m not grinding my module drills, i put people to sleep for surgery for a living. one of the things i love about my job is i get a few moment of ‘agenda-free’ time with a patient as we are heading to the ORs or setting up monitors to just BS with him or her to try to get them to relax and feel a little less frightened. it’s amazing what you can find out about someone in a few minutes. so this morning, my 83 year old patient was understandably nervous before heart bypass surgery (he did great), so i asked him what types of things he does to stay active, and said “well, i golf.” so i asked him what his best score ever was and he said “72!” i said that that was great–much better than what i shoot. he then volunteered that he was on the board at a local prominent club in the western suburbs of philadelphia and had been involved with some PGA tournaments when he was much younger. i asked him if he had ever seen hogan play and he said, “sure, i was at the open in 1950.” of course, i asked him if he saw him hit ‘that one iron’ and he told me he was standing in the gallery behind him! :smiley:

we didn’t have much more time to talk and he wouldn’t really be in the state for conversation after open heart surgery, but i will try to check on him tomorrow and ask him a few more questions…he told me he’s “seen them all” play and that slamming sammy snead was his favorite. hopefully i’ll have some more to share tomorrow…
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Good stuff, I like it. Though, for my own part, I can assure you it’s a coincidence, but I never rule out the odd cosmic coincidence- in fact, in my opinion, you can’t beat them…
Cheers…

I agree, Eagle, it’s a quality spot for these types of things…
I hope all is well…
B

Bom said

I agree …and thank goodness for them!

Long story to get to a short point. Me and a friend were jamming balls the other day. He brought with him the Whippy Tempo Master, and I have to admit it was not only a nice change of pace, but the club is addicting in a way. Addicting in a sense that the compression obtained does not seem possible given the flexibility of the shaft- but put a pure swing on it, don’t pressure the sides of the shaft, and it goes off like a rocket.

So we’re both doing some different things while sharing a tee and in comes, and is on the tee next to us, a guy giving a lesson. He’s there for a few minutes when my friend says….”Range, do you know who that is?” I haven’t a clue and just say…”yeah, it’s some big galooka.” He was big too, of course anyone looks like a big galooka compared to me. My friend says….”that’s Evan “Big Cat” Williams and I had a chance years ago to hit some balls with him.”

I remembered the name but didn’t really recognize him until I got home and looked it up. He’s a little older now but that was him. So my friend and he start chatting a bit and Rat goes into serious mode. On my mind was the Cat meets the Rat.
Big Cat goes back to his student and leaves me and my friend to finish our business. My friend takes the Whippy and blasts shot after shot with it and while doing so I notice Big Cat never glances over or watches, although I’m sure he heard the sound. Now my turn, and ditch the Tempo Master. I tell my friend that I am going to split the middle of the dome with an uprising parabola. There’s a spot that has this metal piece that I think helps holds the dome together in some fashion. Anyway…not as difficult to do as I was fully warmed up by then, but got out a fairway wood and banged ball after ball off that piece of metal……and when finished my friend says…”man, that was sweet.”

I told him things I was working on- part of one which was feeling my left shoulder girdle separating after transition and I said….”yeah, I think Hogan may have used his shoulder girdle in a really neat way…almost like pinning one shoulder back after transition. It’s part of a package I call….”either the club is going to get away from you, or stay with you.” It was just after I used the name “Hogan” that Big Cat turned, took pause from his student, to hear what was being said. Don’t know what he thought about what he heard as he remained silent, and didn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things, but just goes to show the Hogan name still draws attention.

By the way, Big Cat was teaching a two dimensional swing, a pure CF move- at P1 the club is hinged straight up without any voluntary turn going on. Lot of up and down stuff. Would have liked to see him lay into a few, as my friend said he could make the ball the size of a BB within seconds.

That was the closest this Rat has ever been to a Cat…but as we all know a Hawk sits higher within the food chain! :smiley:

crr and R squared,

Good stories. Thank you very much. crr are you a crna or an M.D.? My wife is a crna in the Detroit area.

Bob

Is there television footage of the 1960 usopen which featured palmer nicklaus and hogan?

reading ccr’s story about his patient knocked this one out of my memory…

my father in law is 82 or 83 years old and is a lifelong houstonian, i don’t think he has ever touched a golfclub. his passion/hobby/career is architecture
and he still works 50 + hours a week because is the only one around who actually works on a draft table as compared to a computer.

years ago we were out to dinner and he asked where i played golf that day, i told him “gus wortham” which is an old scruffy muni on the
rough side of town. it was built in 1908, is texas oldest 18 hole golf course and was for a long time the original houston country club. at one time
it had the longest par 3 in texas at 240 yards. it still may be, the hole still plays all of 240 from the tips. francis ouimet won a tournament there in 1922 and vardon and ted ray barnstormed there…

so anyway we are talking about gus and the neighborhood around it and i asked him if he had ever been there, he said no but he had been to the new location
of houston country club a long time ago. so i pried further as i was curious as to why he would be sociallising with the blueblood crowd, his response was
“oh no, i wasn’t out there for a social event, i went to watch a golf exhibition. sam snead and i think ben hogan…”

so he was there, at the legendary shell match.

unfortunately, he does not know a lick about golf, so picking his brain about anything about that day would probably be fruitless…

btw, when i play in my friends hoity toity member guest on the west side of town and i am asked what club i belong to, i tell them gus wortham. most
of them have no idea where it is, but the old guys do…

that’s great. it’s amazing the history that one can be so close to. i was once talking to a patient in a room that had two beds separated by a curtain. i was asking him how a fellow in his 70s with an accent (he was from Hungary) was 100% VA service connected, which means that his service and health-care issues were fully supported by the Veterans Affairs Administration. he basically told me that he did a lot of “state work” in europe in the 50s without getting into too much detail. i told him that had spent a couple of months in europe and mentioned some of the places i really liked. after i was done talking to him i went to the patient on the other side of the curtain, who was older–in his 80s. overhearing our conversation, he said “you know, i’ve been to nijmegan (holland) too.” of course i asked him what he was doing, and he says “i was jumping out planes and securing bridgeheads!” so turns out this guy was in the 82nd Airborne and jumped into holland as part of operation market garden (as depicted in band of brothers, which was the 101st airborne." i asked him what it was like and he was so nonchalant…“well, you just jumped in the pitch black darkness, hoped the tracer fire didn’t get you, that your parachute deployed, and that you didn’t have a bunch of nazi’s waiting for you when you landed.” and here i thought i had accomplished something with my life!‘’