For the 1T files…
Great images Bom.
What if we could see these two, Sam and Phil, at the height of their powers, in the same group, coming from behind, battling into the lead in a final major round?
If said major was the US Open, they’d tie for 2nd. 
Classic!
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Man, that’s a fantastic image! I can only imagine tapping into that force from the proper slot, the ball might end up hitting you on the back of the head 
Great stuff, thanks for that…
The Snead… where do you start?! Pure quality…
For a reply this next is not sufficient…
… backwoods barefoot prodigy hanging ten in hurricane on a slippery slope between symmetry and chaos …
I overheard this while flexing my elbows on the 19th hole.
Fibonacci asked the Nautilus, “During impact, is the pivot axis my thin red line with the yellow x, or my thick red line, or somewhere else?”
The Nautilus, “&%$#!@ Fib, how would I know? I don’t have a spine and hip joint, ‘Google’ it!”
Fib, “I already tried, no luck.”
The Nautilus, “Then ask the guys on the forum.”
Fib, “I knew that. I knew that!”
I would say both Teebox at the same time.
The thin line would be like an anchor of sorts so we are not moving much side to side, or all over the place, but the leaning line would be axis tilt…this information came from the rats of ancient Rome.
Hey, thought of you recently. Had shish kabobs on the grill and the steel skewers had a spiral twist to them. I guess the spiral and holding pressure go hand in hand…or hand to mouth in the case of the kabobs.
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This post continues to explore the Nautilus and Fibonacci’s 19th Hole question about setting the pivot axis through the left hip joint and base of the neck. But here Fibonacci ignores the previous comeback from the irritable Nautilus and risks another outburst.
Fib, “Video of some fine golfers appears to show the left hip trouser pocket, during impact, orbits around the left hip joint where the upper leg attaches into the hip. While the hip joint rotates, it has less horizontal and vertical movement than the base of the spine that travels an arc around the left hip joint. The stability of the left hip joint’s location is established in the forward swing when the right elbow arrives at hip level until or far beyond impact depending on the golfer. The position of the left hip joint can be stable enough to set up a tilted pivot axis to revolve with minimal wobble through the pre and post impact arc of the club head. This pivot axis is a straight line through the abdomen and chest where the axis extends from the left hip joint to the back of the neck at the seventh cervical vertebra. The sketch labeled “B” and the video below attempt to display the “hip to neck” pivot axis. Also, let’s step through the video. Can you see the stable pivot axis from the hip joint to the neck?”
The Nautilus, “Whatever, Fib. It won’t do me any good, maybe you, but not me.”
[vimeo]http://vimeo.com/9643835[/vimeo]
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Cool pics, 1T. I wonder if Greg Norman would think the unheralded ‘black line where the sun don’t shine’ might have something to say for itself.
In general, I find the term ‘axis’ tough due to the overall dynamism of a good golf swing. It’s difficult to think of something as static as an axis in the midst of that. I reckon force, and how you sense, use, and balance it, is the true axis of a good golf swing. Not sure if that confuses or helps. So I suppose the axis would then, to some extent, be the opposite of what the club would do if it was allowed to do whatever it wanted to while moving. And because that’s constantly changing, then so too is the axis. Not sure if that’s a bit abstract or not, but one of the reasons I like your thread so much is because of the abstract nature of it.
Sounds like this Fibonacci guy has some good questions 
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The word ‘axis’ is problematic for me too. ‘Pivot’ may have been better, more familiar. Let’s see if promoting ‘pivot’ helps us explore the topic further.
Experience shows us a body can revolve or pivot its torso around an imaginary line, for example, one between the base of the neck and between the hips somewhere, or a line between the base of the neck and left hip joint where the leg bone enters the hip socket. We can call either of those lines a pivot or axis if we revolve our torso around the line we choose to imagine. The actual position in space of either line can be influenced incidentally by a foot slipping or influenced intentionally while, for example, striving to reduce wobble for ball flight consistency. Golf movement options for the pivot axis may go beyond simply spinning a pivot axis in one place in space. For example, may we start a downswing with a pivot axis that begins somewhere outside of both pivots already mentioned and moves into an axis more or less congruent with the spine and stays with it beyond club head impact. Or, before club head impact, may we continue shifting a pivot through and beyond a spine centered pivot into a pivot axis that is in the imaginary line between the neck and left hip joint? It can be difficult to observe, even in slow motion high-frame-rate video, the difference through impact of the neck to hip joint pivot action and the spine centered pivot action. It is difficult to know or see exactly where the hip joint really is while only observing the exterior of the body. I hope to locate video studies that address the full swing motion of the skeleton itself within a grid frame reference. Are there any sources without fees?
I have little experience with the neck to left hip joint pivot. My brief practice experience with it about three months ago was promising. I expected the ‘new’ pivot would be more difficult because there is significantly less body mass ‘leftward’ and more body mass ‘rightward’ of the neck to hip joint pivot axis than with my customary neck/spine pivot. In other words, the new, to me, distribution of body mass accentuates the “lopsided” trebuchet character of the swing and that might increase wobble unless there is enough strength to easily minimize it. However, since May I have not been able to play and practice and explore any of this more thoroughly. Until I can do that again, I am looking for commentary from golfers here about their experience with the “neck to left hip joint” as the pivot axis for the impact interval at least. A discussion example might include stuff like this: Does imagery of ‘hitting into a firm left side’ help create a neck to hip joint pivot axis through impact while relying on the left leg mainly for balance and support without it being the driving force?
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Fibonacci strives to absorb the teaching purpose of Two’s GIF while also looking for what it might disclose about a tilted ‘neck to left hip joint’ pivot axis aware his pivot obsession could be missing Two’s point.
Fib believes he sees, among other things, the shoulders and upper left arm are working furiously prior, through, and beyond impact, to orbit the upper left arm as near as possible, as strength allows, around the tilted ‘neck to left hip joint’ pivot axis. He can ‘feel’ the great effort that must be applied to prevent the left arm from ‘flying’ away from the axis through and beyond impact. He believes this orbit of the upper left arm and elbow, near and around the ‘neck to left hip joint’ pivot axis, magnifies pressures that are treasured feel for ABS hitters. Two’s GIF also reminds Fib not to lose sight the entire body participates in managing its orbit around this axis that was ultimately conceived, before the swing began, to facilitate desired impact conditions. The Nautilus knows nothing about any of this including that he will never experience it. If he can ever imagine it and realize it is unobtainable for him, remorse may overcome him…until his next date. Fibonacci is edgy and prays he is not chasing another vapor trail, but he will explore until he knows, still worried what he may have missed in Two’s GIF.
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Hey Teebox, nice to see spirals still percolating in the noggin.
I think the notion of spirals can go quite deep and be subject to different interpretations about where the might appear, or even how to initiate and engage them, but the physics of them are probably not negotiable. Here is how I see it for the most part. First let me say that the sunburst logo could also not be a sunburst at all, rather it could be a directional compass rose complete with cardinal and subcardinal coordinates. Now to follow that out, and to incorporate something Bom was keen to hone in on during the argument about do the sides create the middle, or the middle create the sides, I think there is no doubt the sides create the middle. If the logo is a compass rose lets look at what it describes about the great circle in the middle. The sides of the figure are crossed diagonally at the same angles throughout.
The sides would represent the meridians or longitude, or a great circle which during the course of travel ( hands ) if crossed in the same angular relationship would create a spiral. Furthermore, if the travel begins at a pole, the end of the travel will end at the opposite pole. So if the hands are behind us at the top and ‘high’ ( subject to interpretation ) they will travel to low and in front ( low spot )…but only if the axis of rotation remains the same, which in ABS land would be the axis tilt.
Whew…exhausting subject…but might I suggest looking up Rhumb Lines as they are quite informative and may answer some of your questions…you did know that Hogan was a flight instructor as I am told. I don’t think he was flying by the seat of his pants.
Rat,
My numb mind had all and more than it could handle in my last posts trying to keep up with Fib, the Nautilus, and Two.
I peeked at Wikipedia about ‘Rumb Lines’ and saw it will be a long stretch before I get what it is about, if ever.
I know you have a lesson in there to explore, and I hope I can sift at least a fleck of gold. Same goes for the Hogan Sunburst.
But until Hell freezes over, I am burnt toast.
Wish me luck.