The D-Plane, Trackman, NBFL, etc. thread

Didn’t know that.

After the masters, Tiger qualified for some PGA Tour stats. In particular the radar stats which measure things like spin rate. He was lowest spin rate on Tour after this year’s Masters, something like 1,900 rpm’s. In 2009 and 2007 when they measured his spin rate, it was one of the highest on Tour.

My guess at the time is that he had some poorly struck shots. I still think that may be the case. Otherwise I can’t understand why his spin rate would be that low…particularly now when he’s ranked about 10th in swing speed.

3JACK

That was not done by mishits. It was angle of attack and if you haven’t seen it in person I wouldn’t imagine you could really get it but the more you gobble up tech stats that don’t mean anything anymore if they ever did the more it just gets confused and jumbled. There’s a kid down in Vegas right now who can move it like Tiger used to, his name is Gipper Finau. Deconstructing it into raw data just doesn’t work the same way it didn’t for Mozart it’s just on a whole other level of reality.

Tiger is using Trackman now with Sean Foley. He talks about it here

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PnNzIo8vj4[/youtube]

3JACK

It’s almost not possible to come up with a more damning indictment of Trackman than this. This guy is a con man of the highest order, and this video is genuinely depressing. I hope Tiger finds his way to fulfilling his real potential at some point.

Too Much Information

So in other words we need to hit up on our driver with an open face and swing to the right

With our 3 woods we need to not quite sweep but still hit down slightly and take a small divot

Our mid-short irons we need to take beaver tails like Jose Maria

And thankfully he didn’t mention the idea about hitting up on our putts to impart topspin

For $35,000 I would rather spend 4 months traveling around staying in 5 star hotels and playing the world’s great old courses with my persimmons and shaping shots around doglegs and hitting different trajectory irons into greens and maybe hole a few putts and learn how to to play true golf based on watching the ball flight and looking at my divot

TIGER— RRRUUUUNNNNNNN… please come here to ABS… it sounds like Foley is mumbling off numbers someone at trackman told him once in a conversation… love how he talks about Tiger bombing it 333 in the air and only being a fraction of an inch off blowing it 50 yards right…talk about timing issues by promoting a swing like that, especially when Tiger’s real issue is accuracy not distance

Really? We need a $35,000.00 doppler radar machine to tell us that? Couldn’t you just look at the painfully obvious differential of the overall weight, length and lie angles between a big headed driver at 61 degrees upright and 45 inches long and deduce with almost 100% certainty that it would require a different swing than an iron with RADICALLY different specs?

Bom, I agree 100%…Sean Foley couldn’t coach his way out a paper bag. Seriously, why doesn’t someone just put this video up on the monitor and say “Look Tiger, let’s take the short road back to winning…just shut up and do this and we’ll call it a day”

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz47-PtrAyw[/youtube]

Andy

R3J, How dare you post that video and bring the cool factor of this board down into the red…now I have to post something 10 times as cool to offset that Foley rubbish;

Ladies and Gentleman…Mr. Conway Twitty

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og1QRtcWdEY[/youtube]

Guys, when tiger kills it, he carries it three hundred and three yards. He got me there I though he was making a joke and I was waiting for the funny end…:s
I saw him with tiger on friday morning at bay hill this year . He was here when Tiger warmed up. First I dont know what a coach is doing on the range when his player warms up 30 mins before teeing off. He looked so stress and hyper, chewing his gum like a maniac at 7 AM …i was really surprised. I know he is in a tough spot beeing tiger coach but when you are that stressed you want to stay away from your player ! Tiger didn’t say a word to him or looked at him the entire warm up session and if anything i felt like foley was more bothering him than anything…

How is any of this any different than any of the other ridiculous crap he’s ever surrounded himself with before? The whole story makes a lot more sense and the ending a lot more familiar if you cover the name Tiger Woods and imagine it was Mike Tyson instead. That was always what the entourage reminded me of.

It really is quite maddening how close some of the thread postings come to some of the most elusive parts of some things that haven’t been seen in over a generation that are on the verge of being lost forever and again and again it gets sidetracked by gobbledygook. It’d be a damn shame if nobody ever took the last step and put the whole puzzle together because its all right here for the taking.

Golf is a game of feel. The mechanics are important to get the ball on line, but you still need good pace on the greens and you need to strike the ball with the proper intensity and trajectory into the greens.

Mashie and I played Pasa Tiempo today. I struggled a bit and shot a few over par, really due to not feeling the pace of the greens, and miss clubbing a few iron shots.

One funny thing on the short par three 8th, I was looking at the green and had my hand on an 8 iron. Mashie asked what the yardage was, and I hadn’t looked at it… and it said 165. After seeing that, I thought maybe I should hit a 7 iron. I hit the shot and knocked it a club long leaving myself a very difficult downhill putt. This is perfect example of why I think yardages are overrated. Just for fun I dropped another ball and hit a 8 iron 10 feet from the pin. I could also have just 3 quartered a 7 iron.
My instinct was right. It’s not always right, but neither are using exact yardages going to put me pin high on every hole.

I suppose had I jumped on TM right after the round, my numbers would have been slightly off compared to my last round I played, but then maybe not. I think today I just didn’t feel my distances quite as well as I normally would into the greens.
I hit a lot of shots right at the pin today. I think it’s easy to focus too much on line and not enough on feel for distance and shot trajectory. Not surprisingly, my feel for speed on the greens was off slightly. Nothing mechanical in my stroke, just pace… and that comes from playing and a little practice.

The problem I see with any swing analyzing device is that you are going to need to know what to do… to better your numbers, because I don’t think the machine is going to tell you the answers. Is the machine going to say, John, pressure down more into the right foot at transition, then spend an afternoon doing 300 module 3 reps?

The cure is going to be subjective. One coach might say put a beach ball between your legs, and another might say just take it more outside and try to cut across the ball to square out your numbers.

Playing good golf is not about having a set of perfect numbers… it’s more about taking the numbers you have, no matter how bad they are, and finding a way to apply that to fairways and greens… even if that means aiming 20 yards left and push blocking your drives down the middle all day… or hitting run up shots into the greens with the low punch draw shot you can seem to produce with today’s action. Golf’s an art. The mechanics give you the skills to express the artistry of your shotmaking abilities.

Couldn’t agree more, Lecoeurdevie, and I’m betting you’re the one to put it together for us. Your post on shaft load via the X and Y directions was a gamechanger for me in understanding how a worldclass swing should work. I think there is value in Trackman but Foley to me, seems to be just an aggregator of swing theories, throw in a few terms like myelin, and boom, instant credibility with the naive, wide-eyed blinking golf pro. Puzzling.

Anyway, Lecour, don’t hold out. I think it’s time for a new, epic thread…

LCDV wrote

“Tell it all brother”. We’re all ears.

Thanks for the encouragement sincerely but it’s gonna be a while in the making. I got sick while I was in S America and just had a tonsil-adenoidectomy and something else too and I feel just awful. I came back down to Vegas and had a friend do the procedure and I thank God he believes in strong pain meds. But this has just kicked my arse and I can’t do a damn thing or even think straight at this point. But gimme a couple of weeks and I’ll be back in fighting form, I hope… but catching up on the ABS Site has been about the only thing I’ve been able to do everyday so thanks everybody.

that sounds painful man, i hope you have a speedy recovery! get well soon.

Sorry to hear about that, and hope you start feeling better. Very cold martinis might help in the recovery, and look forward to you weighing in on the golf swing in a few weeks.

These may work too!..from my personal stash for a quick recovery :sunglasses:
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Ok its been a while but: the off white ones are somas, the reds are sudafed or generic tylenol, blues are lortab 7.5s and finally advil liquigels. Do I pass?

LCD…pills won’t cure what you contracted down in jungles de Sur America’

You need some of this action to set you straight…
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I don’t know about that but I wish I could have brought some of the Coca Leaves back with me. I got some of the Caramels without a problem but the leaves would have been pushing it big time. My 14 yr old son ate a couple not knowing what they were, that was funny as hell.