That’s what I thought.
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Lets see your swing +1.6 handicapper?
Thats what I thought 
Bye
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No go on the Gears. No one seems to know about it either. Called 4 different places, no dice.
Seems unnecessary at this point…
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Reminds me of the time that Monte Scheinblum posted Frank Lickliter’s swing at GolfWRX, without posting his identity, and asked people to guess the handicap. I think the general consensus was about 6. Reminds me of you. You’re a joke.
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Quit making excuses for urself. You called out the owner of this website and had the audacity to insult a veteran tour player whos made a career playing against major championship winners. Very disrespectful to JE period. If u want to continue with ur dialogue reveal ur identity so we can all praise ur name. @Fore_Thirty
Whos the joke? 
Did you try here? Their website is a bit clunky, but there are 28 locations listed in the US, and if you call them, you will find that there are several more not shown on the map. It’s really a fun experience and it’s eye opening. Don’t give up on finding a location if you are still interested.
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Sure did…called golftec headquarters and they passed me around to 3 different people. Nobody even heard of the system either…they tried to sell me on their system of course, but it didnt sound capable of capturing the data set we need.
Im not done yet…just letting the pot cool a bit, see if anything else comes to mind. We have 5 pro sports teams here, someobe has one for sure
GolfTec is a franchise which has their own, proprietary system for motion capture. It is not GEARS nor is it even in the same league regarding the depth and precision of measurement. AFAIK, GolfTec was not using GEARS but maybe they have transitioned to replacing their system with GEARS in some of their locations? Where are you located?
I’m not calling out John or Brad regarding their playing careers. Neither was ever as good as Rory McIlroy who’s specific swing we’ve discussed in this thread or Phil Mickelson, for example, who would be the absolute antithesis to what is being taught here. That’s just a fact. But both of them were most certainly better than I ever was by a considerable margin. None of that is relevant in any way, shape, or form to discussions on the science of the golf swing. Moe Norman hit the ball better than me too and he said he kept the clubface at the target the entire impact and post impact interval…he didn’t. His perception of what he did was wrong. It doesn’t make him any less from a performance standpoint. Not sure what you’re getting at with your nonsensical diatribes.
No, his perception was accurate as he defined it, not you, or by machine. All good players I know know what he might have meant. It means he didn’t and lose the toe. This is basic ball striking skills 101.
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I played at the end of the great era… persimmon and blades with the balata high spinning golf balls. That era started after the hickory era and ended some time in the mid to late 1990’s. It was a different game. Different courses, different gear, different balls. No different than softball vs baseball. Similar games but different enough.
I played in an era where I saw first hand… some really impressive ballstrikers. I would see guys go days without missing fairways. This was said also about Hogan’s era. I knew Moe and spend a lot of time with him. I NEVER saw Moe miss hit a golf ball. NEVER… not even once. Not once. So when I think of my personal verifiable knowledge of witnessing greatness, it would be Moe. I never saw Hogan play live. I saw Sam Snead play in the LA Open when I was a kid. Maybe around 1974. I specifically remember Snead on the 2nd hole at Riviera CC, long par 4 back then… driver long iron. Snead said, “give me the 2 iron” and he hit a beautiful towering shot from the right side of the fairway about 20 feet from the hole… below right. Used the side saddle putting thing which was odd to me as a kid.
As far a Tiger, Phil or Rory, they miss way too many drives for my taste. Clearly don’t have complete control of the golf ball. I don’t watch modern golf much because my experiences in the game saw something much better… to my eyes. Not longer, but a game that was much more precision based. You didn’t get to spray the ball all over the golf course. I remember watching the new “Rory” superstar kid spraying the ball all over Augusta National when he blew his big lead at the Masters. That’s not the kind of golf that showed me the level of ball control that would impress me. George Knudson was said to have hit 69 out of 72 greens when he was runner up in the Masters in 1969… one shot behind. Who does that now? This event was talked about by Moe, Bob Panasik, and even Alvie Thompson. They didn’t make this stuff up. I also saw Trevino a lot growing up. I can’t ever remember Lee spraying the ball all over the course.
The reason the modern players get away with it… is because they can… simple… wider fairways, less trees, light rough, short irons from it when they do miss. When Rory won the US Open at Congressional… I remember him making several birdies from the rough. This is not the kind of US Open I remember growing up. think Hogan left rough at Olympic on 18 pitching sideways with a hay bail on his clubhead. Tom Watson from the thick stuff at 17 (Pebble… good thing it hit the pin…) You make bogies from the 6 inch rough… not birdies. Fairways were narrow, and rough was crazy thick and high. You HAD to hit it in the fairway. It was the ultimate ball controllers event. The modern US Opens have nothing to do with how they used to be set up. Even the US Amateurs were set up like that. I played in three of them and made the quarter finals in 1983. If you missed the fairway, you were done. I beat Billy Andrade in the third round 6 and 5… because he was all over the place with his driver. Every time he missed a fairway I won the hole. Simple. His best friend Davis Love got eliminated that day also for being wild off the tee. Davis was the longest hitter, but it did him no good being in the rough and trees and making bogies, doubles etc. Length meant nothing in those events if you were not in play. That kind of game requires excellent ball control off the tee. I worked very hard to be a good driver of the ball. So much that even adding half an inch of length to my driver was out of the question if it cost me ANY accuracy. Hitting the ball straight off the tee was absolutely necessary to be a champion in that era on courses that were set up for precision accuracy. So comparing Tiger, Rory, Phil, Dustin, etc… it’s not an apples to apples comparison. Different game, different era, different objectives. Spraying the driver all over the lot is not acceptable level of excellent to me. Might be to you? Not to me. Not to Moe, not to Knudson, not to Hogan, Nicklaus…
This was one of the reasons I enjoyed my years playing at Mare Island Golf Club. If you couldn’t hit it straight, you would shoot a million. I can’t tell you how many times I brought good modern players out there… college All Americans, Pros, fine amateurs … never once saw anyone shoot better than three over par. The course was 6300 yards. Never hit so many long irons on a golf course. 1 irons off the tee 7 or 8 times a round. Side hill lies are more difficult than flat lies… winds off the bay, tiny postage stamp sloping greens that require pin point accurate iron shots to keep the ball below the hole. Very difficult greens to putt and a far cry from perfect putting surfaces. It’s just more difficult golf.
I remember they had a one round Pepsi Tour Event (mini tour) there… and four over par won the event. These were pros… and the best of them could only shoot 4 over. Think about that. There was nothing unfair or impossible about Mare Island… it was just a total ball control golf course. Precision golf.
I played a lot of tour courses similar to this in Canada, Australia, just a different level of precision. A much higher bar of quality and excellence in my opinion. So what we are doing here is making sure this kind of advanced striking techniques don’t get lost completely in the modern era.
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There is no evidence that those great ballstrikers - Moe Norman, Sam Snead, Lee Trevino and George Knudson - were using the ABS “holding shaft flex” technique post-impact.
It is even questionable whether Ben Hogan was using the ABS technique post-impact.
I certainly have never seen John Erickson “hold shaft flex” post-impact in his full golf swing action - as evidenced below in those two full golf swing actions.
Jeff.
You most certainly have seen John hold shaft flex post-impact in a full golf swing. Your second set of photos, image 1, cropped the ball. As you can see below, image 1 is in fact post-impact, as the ball has been struck and is approximately 12 inches in front of the club face. Shaft flex has been maintained in a post-impact position.
It is impossible to hold shaft flex for the entire post-impact portion of the swing. We all know the swing slows down at some point post-impact and shaft flex will be lost. But as evidenced above it is possible to hold shaft flex for the immediate portion of post-impact.
Case closed.
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This has been covered, but immediately post impact everyone will have shaft flex because of the collision with the ball.
Lag posted video of swinging without a ball though which is better to use for this argument.
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k2baloo,
You wrote-: “Lag posted video of swinging without a ball though which is better to use for this argument.”
No - it’s a much weaker argument because in that video he did not perform a full golf swing action. He artificially started with a much shortened backswing action and with minimal clubhead lag in that video.
I want to see John “hold shaft flex” during the entirety of his early followthrough action when he starts with his usual 10:30 o’clock lead arm position at his end-backswing position and when he also has >90 degrees of clubhead lag - as seen in the following image.
Jeff.
So, holding shaft flex on a shortened swing w/no ball is a weaker example than the shaft being forced back by a collision with a ball?..
Okay, then! I’ll defer to the photo post impact with a golf ball. There’s shaft flex there, clearly, so case closed 
Glad you were able to correct me on that!
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k2baloo,
You wrote-: “Okay, then! I’ll defer to the photo post impact with a golf ball. There’s shaft flex there, clearly, so case closed.”
You are now being ridiculous! You know that ball collision will temporarily cause the peripheral clubshaft to be bent back - as you previously admiited.
Here again are the capture images from that full golf swing action performed by John.
You can see that the peripheral clubshaft is bent forward in image 2 and you can also see that the clubshaft has bypassed his lead arm (from an angular rotational perspective). So, he was not “holding shaft flex” in image 2.
I want to see John get to that same followthrough position where the peripheral shaft is bent backwards and where the clubshaft has not bypassed his lead arm (from an angular rotational perspective) - but performed with the same full golf swing action (as seen in that video).
Jeff.
First of all, 90 degrees of ‘club head lag’ in relationship to what, and coming in a close second, by how many degrees does he exceed ‘90 degrees of club head lag’?
RangeRat
Clubhead lag is only measured in terms of the relationship between the lead arm and the clubshaft in the plane of radial-ulnar deviation.
It is too difficult to accurately assess the degree of clubhead lag angle from a 2D face-on image but it seems to be close to 90 degrees, and maybe even a few degrees more.
Jeff.
That would be a limited way of assessing lag in my opinion by way of excluding, among other participants, transfer power from forearm rotation with guidance from #4 accumulator, for starters, if memory serves.
I don’t want to get into the weeds with your Kelley-backed messaging so no need to reply, but everything is lag and lag is everything, all of us, it’s all lag, all the time, and ABS understands this very well. More than several here had their days with Homer long ago. For me it was fun, demanding, productive, and I learned many things, but it’s just a small part, and a very very small part, of striking a ball.
I don’t remember how many things I learned while playing in my first sandbox, but in the end it was just a sandbox, just like the yellow tome is just a book.