Orbit Pull is a non negotiable

Spending a lot of time the last few weeks on the orbit pull and it’s such a game changer and amazing feeling when it happens in the flow.

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A solid concept and pursuit for taming clubhead mass flying away to the right as it wants to do. The early extenders have no chance in this regard as they are basically pushing the clubhead out of orbit early instead of pulling the clubhead from orbit quite a bit later in the actual hit near the ball.

I believe that results with what many greats describe as a late “snap”. :triangular_flag:

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When I first started playing golf I was very lucky to have taken a lesson with an old school teacher who told me to think of my spine as a hinge and my arms and the club were the door…Going back I was opening the door and post impact I was closing the door…I don’t know with certainty but I have always assumed that I had been taught a rotational, pivot driven golf swing…I don’t know if his description of closing the door was what you guys call the orbit pull, but open the door - close the door is the only swing thought I have ever had for over 30 years of playing golf…I know it works because I play on a tight, windblown coastal course where it’s fairway or keep an eye out for snakes so accuracy off the tee is at a premium. Two lost balls in two years might say something as well.

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Opening the door and slamming the door closed has worked for many many years. It really comes from the transition from hickory to steel shafts where players had to rotate really hard to get the club to square. Byron Nelson is really one of the first players to go away from that thinking and become a body first player which is called Square to Square today but Joe Dante taught the same motion in the 1940s-1970s.

Your one swing thought has stood the test of time for sure not just with you but with golfers worldwide in all eras of the game.
Cheers

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Thanks for that Blades…It’s good to know that even though the terminology “orbit pull” is new to me, the concept isn’t.

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You’re welcome there is a difference between orbit pull and slamming the door I want to make sure you understand this. Slamming the door is a release concept that flat out works but it is not exactly the same as orbit pull.

Think about orbit pull this way, as you are swinging the club on the functional swing plane which is trail side hip to target side hip for a right hand player they have the sensation of pulling the butt end closer to them. A good mental picture is going from trail side pocket to target side pocket with the hand path.

The swinging motion automatically makes the end of the club which is the clubhead side want to fly away from you out to the right so the Orbit Pull counteracts that pulling force. All good ball strikers have some orbit pull but in ABS we have a deeper focus and understanding of how it applies to the athletic swinging motion.

Also once a player really drills down on the Orbit Pull they will start to notice that the toe rarely if ever overtakes the heel through the strike zone really eliminating the left side of the course for a right hand player and the right side of the course for a left hand player.

This is a basic explanation of the process but it will give you good visuals and some of the why not just the how. In my golf academy I’m really big on making sure clients understand the why just as much as the how.
Cheers

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Thanks again Blades, I understand completely what you are saying even if I don’t know if that’s exactly what I’m doing…I’ve never seen myself swing the club so all I have to go on are the breadcrumbs I pick up from the ball flight etc…But I do know that since I’ve become aware of the term it’s something I find myself working on along with other things like approaching from the 4:30 line, which is something else I hadn’t heard of until I discovered ABS…I really appreciate your input and giving up your time to reply…cheers

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You’re welcome we appreciate you supplying questions it’s what makes the forum a tight-knit family.
Cheers

This is not specifically dealing with rerouting, but since it’s an interesting piece of physics and orbital dynamics thought some might have fun watching if they haven’t seen it already- tangent dynamics under examination.

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Thanks Blades…I’m a reluctant poster but I discovered ABS after being told I needed flat lie angles not a change to how I swung the club…To be honest I’d never heard of “flat lie angles” and it got me hunting for information which ultimately lead me here… Since joining the forum around 5 years ago I’ve found a lot of things that have been new and informative and a lot of things that have reaffirmed what I have always believed to be the fundamentals of a solid and repeatable golf swing…Cheers

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Thanks RR…It’s amazing how easily fooled we are by what we assume to be true…My guess was B :joy:

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Hi,

What exactly do you do then. Rotate left shoulder; arms to left pocket or???

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Welcome to the forum and congratulations on your first post. I know your question was more directly to Blades and I know he will take care of this. To me Orbit pull is one of the nuanced aspects of the golf swing and thus is hard to describe in simple terms. I look forward to hearing how he handles your question.

For me personally when I’m training it or have a client training it we focus first on turning left and level for a right hand player. Then as far as the orbit pull I have the client feeling like they are pulling the grip towards the target side pocket as they are turning level and left.

I recommend starting with little 40-50 yard pitch shots Reprogramming the new motion sequence into the swing DNA. Once you can hit those 40-50 yard pitch shots consistently add yardage in 25 yard increments. In no time you will be at full swings with a new and improved motion.
Cheers

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@Carlmagnus Welcome to the party, pal.

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Hi,

I also got some strange chanks (hosel hits); not rotated the forearm enough (or pivot)?

Furthermore, do I have to change lie angle of the clubs to more flat?

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When I started out in ABS doing Magic Tricks, I got a LOT of shanks in the very beginning. That’s actually a good thing IMHO, it means you are trying to apply the ABS principles vs. the old way you swung the club before.

For me, shanks were a natural result of needing to learn a new way to strike the golf ball, my body had to learn how to combine things I’d never done before (we need to apply Module 1 to learn to rotate the forearms into the strike combination with body pivot, all while striking the golf ball on the quarter-sized sweet spot of the golf club). Eventually you’ll want flat lie angles, but for now, you can just see what you can do with your standard lie clubs, and… Find an old forged vintage club (8 iron and a wedge would be great) at thrift store and get it bent 2 to 3 degrees flat to start out practicing with.

Keep at it, follow and do the ABS drills. Post videos if necessary to make sure we can see what is going on. If you’re enrolled as a ABS student (i.e., you have purchased the first set of ABS modules 1,2,3… @lagpressure or his excellent staff @neilgascoigne will directly help debug. Certainly, small very short shots (like 5-10 yard Magic Tricks) in the very beginning is necessary. Can’t learn ABS principles at full speed, have to learn slowly step by step. It will be worth it!

Here’s some magic trick examples, I am probably not the perfect example but you can see the progression I needed to go thru! :

Great work @John_Sing ! It is really a magic trick in many ways. @Carlmagnus shanks are pretty normal in the beginning simply because you are not used to the heel leading into impact. Most modern “methods” and thinking are about getting the face squarer sooner. As John said go slowly and you will figure out the late squaring of the clubface and the “magic”. When you do it eventually seems that you are striking a marble.

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Shanks are an easy won to cure simply think pelvic depth a d keep your glutes back versus moving into the ball. Depth before Speed & Rotation before Release. Remember these keys when you train. And last but Definitely not least. Ask yourself the obvious question how was the club swung in order to create a shank ? At the end of the day never remove how the club is moving from the end result. The body will self organize when we Remember that the ball is the best coach the game has ever had.
Cheers

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