I’ve only seen a couple clips of his. I’ll try to listen to Lag’s conversation with him later to see what he is about.
The 2 Montes videos on Lag’s channel are rather lengthy and focus mainly on items other than pure swing dynamic ideas such as rule changes, architecture, old golf, new golf, bomb and gouge, etc.
It might be quicker spending time on Montes YouTube channel video shorts like I did for a better look. One of the more interesting ideas that passed from Vardon, to Mehlhorn, to Montes, seen here is a very unique view on opposing forces and did pass this rat’s test for authenticity- cut and draw at the same time. ![]()
I like that explanation. When I swing well I feel like I hit the ball with a slightly open clubface, draw or fade. There’s real freedom in going through the strike with speed and feeling the face is never closed. It feels like you gather the ball and it’s on the face for a foot even though it’s only a tiny fraction of that in reality.
The other advantage to the open clubface is our feel is, in my opinion, relative to our body’s position and the forces it’s experiencing and nothing else. If your body is even slightly open at impact, you need the club to feel open to be close to square to the target. In other words, your forearms need to still be slightly rotated open at impact, relative to your body, to accommodate for a torso that has rotated beyond the address position.
It’s like the effort to delay body rotation early in the downswing. A lot of good players do it or try to do it, but that’s not an obvious intention or swing thought you would think of just by watching film.
Wonderful insights k2, easy to see why you have such good command of your swing both physically and mentally. The body-mind-awareness quilt is such a magnificent piece of fabric.
If I ever need to find green golf facilities elevated above 8000 feet your neck of the woods is where I’ll be. ![]()
A lot of smoke and mirrors. And woe is me vibe from him
Would be nice if someone had a clip of Lewis’ swing in his prime- someone tell Two to get off his ass and go look in his library.
Good interview Lag, and did I miss how you and Monte came to know one another for the interviews?
@Slinger72 There’s not a lot about myriad swing dynamics that most around these parts wouldn’t know or be able to execute, but I haven’t seen any traces of smoke signals or cracked mirrors and occasionally a little well-deserved humor on his messaging.
So, I started a Montes Golf thread on WRX called The Proper Strike (using the video Exit the Rabbit Hole as seen above here) and as anticipated it hit critical mass by page 5, and the entire thread was deleted and yours truly was banned from WRX.
The WRX Instruction and Academy forum in ENTIRELY incapable of discussing anything in a rational manner that doesn’t meet with a divine blessing from the forum’s elder users and/or owners, so it seems. One user actually judged, as I recall, Montes swing instruction content to be questionable because Mike Monte bore cheap tattoos. You can’t make this stuff up. I tried looking up the deleted thread on an archive but no luck so far, but Rats can be persistent.
The most irritating thing is WRX is headquartered in Michigan, right up the street from me. I consider that company to be an embarrassment to our state and wouldn’t mind it at all if they relocated to a more suitable chaotic and backward state, say Ohio…![]()
If any WRX user, and there were a few who seemed generally interested, would like to continue that discussion about Vardon’s-Mehlhorn-and Monte grip it will be welcome here, as always.
Why do you think it was deleted ? What are their rules for posting ? Is WRX like TGM forums who are super popular echo chambers ?
WRX probably patented their echo chamber as they do it well but sadly it hurts the game overall by not bringing it forward to its fullest possible extent. They have posting rules sure, nothing unusual of note as one should expect, but they’re all over the map with banning and scrubbing material from public view- and it’s their site they retain that right, but they go WAY overboard limiting opposing viewpoints, or similar viewpoints with a little different twist by way of what I call ban and toss.
To add @Blades4life , in the short time posting on WRX about Montes Golf (grip) I was labeled a “clown”, an “evangelist”, “crazy”, “deliberately obtuse”, and a few others I forgot to write down, but probably the best was being challenged to two, count 'em two, challenge matches- one in Phoenix, the other Florida, with the loser leaving the message board forever. ![]()
sounds more like a middle school lunch breakroom than a golf information forum.
Talking about old school loops…this video from Montes got plenty of heat from WRX’s clueless Lab Coat society saying future instructors will have a mess unsorting all her wrongs.
Listen really close to her first strike, the solid heaviness sound- music to the ears. I hope she keeps going with her game and her potential. Coming down from hair-bun plane. Boom!
I’m trying to figure out what’s supposed to be wrong with her motion
it repeats and thats the most important thing. Technique kicks Esthetics tail every day on golf courses worldwide.
Love the music. Pretty wild swing but yea whatever. 6 months and gets it back on plane
Been working on Vardon’s breathing grip, but not his arm structure, with fascinating results since seeing it mentioned on Montesgolf site. Over the past couple years have been working on grip changes anyway due to minimal arthritis beginning on a couple fingers and a thumb, one foot, and one hip…hello aging…I hear you Old Man Aging but game on as rats enjoy challenging environments, that’s what we do.
Pursuing a motion with a softer overall grip pressure and letting the motion 'breathe" up top via the fingers is my direction forward. It’s surprisingly easy for me, with no adjustment period to speak of, and club gets locked into the lead arm and hand just fine coming into the strike. I believe developed finger sensitivity from years of drumming allows the “breathe” dynamic to feel responsive and natural to me during transition.
From the ABS Vault, Vardon up top having a breath of fresh air. Happy 4th and 250th birthday USA and may your baby backs and chicken taste especially fine today.
That’s great I guess they would have had a lot to say about Trevino and Allen Doyle and miller barber all while those guys were depositing the days winnings in a full bank account! I had an old boss tell me once that’s it’s not necessarily about how it’s how many that counts
I worked with a junior player many moons ago that did this. Was quite a good player and the only thing I could do was figure out how to get his “re-grip” from the top to happen consistently. Occasionally the grip would rotate in his hand after the “breath” and the result was wildly left. I’ll have to look him up and see if he’s still competing.
The forearms and shoulder are forming a triangle. Slight bend in the left arm. Left arm, pinned to chest. Classic Jimmy Ballard positions, which should show you…there is nothing new in the golf swing.
