I don’t think you can do the program without sending Lag video because what you feel and think your are doing probably isn’t what you are really doing. Sending video is easy: find a decent camera for $150 (some have really good slow motion video), create a private youtube account for free, film yourself doing the drills, upload the video to youtube, and then email Lag the link. Shouldn’t take more than 30 minutes to do it all. Some of the new cameras even have a “youtube mode” that will compress the files and everything for you.
Pressure Point, Thanks alot for your response. Looks loke I’m looking for a camera.
On the Tech Forum you will find step by step instruction on how to use Vimeo to send videos to Lag. It is also very easy once you do it.
Thanks, Littleam.
This article by Bob Toski from a few years back comparing Tiger to Hogan, which I thought was interesting. One of the posters here on another thread felt that we are in fact seeing another Hogan with Tiger in the modern era of which I would not agree, nor would I agree that any contemporary players have or will gain the kind of control Hogan had due to a variety of elements particularly equipment. I think Toski is is a better position to assess than most, as he played head to head against Hogan for many many years.
Lag:
All things being equal…which they seldom are
I know an 8 year girl who when her body matures in strength to match what she instinctly already knows how the swing puzzle is put together from a TGM drag load protcol, may have something to add to the golfing world. Would it be wise to unseat that natural instint and pursue something more advanced.
In other words…do you think naturally gifted children should groove a TGM swing, or hit, version first then proceed to a more advanced hitting method…or dump Homer from the get go and get right on to the advanced stuff. RR
I wish I had someone teaching me what I know now when I was 8 years old.
Most women are drag loading, or swinging… but the greatest woman golfer Mickey Wright was a drive loading hitter like Hogan.
Unfortunately, the laws of impact physics aren’t going to care a lot about your gender.
There have been some great swingers in the game including Nicklaus, Couples, and so on… so if a player has a natural ability to feel and time the dump
right at lowpoint, then it’s not a problem… but if it becomes a problem, and one gets tired of having to beat balls to time it constantly or simply can’t get it there are other more advanced options that are easier and have the potential for even better results.
I just posted some discussion about this photo in the module 5 forum.
But the origin of the question here was, should the head move down and dip on the downswing…
and the answer is (how loud can I scream this) YES!!
Understanding “the why” can make the journey easier when you know why, and others who say the head must stay still, can keep hitting
the ball all over the golf course.
Homer in TGM was not correct here in his list of essentials.
… looking at the highlighted leg action these photos support Module 2 - the head follows the footwork - right? critical that M2 is in the swing DNA …to become an accomplished ball striker
Anybody who thinks the head doesn’t move in the swing, doesn’t really know much about the swing or doesn’t study the head in the swing at all. From what I’ve been told, later on Homer Kelley felt that the head should try and stay relatively stationary and that it shouldn’t be excessive bobbing or swaying of the head. I think the only issue with the head dip is if you do it incorrectly. I think the head goes lower in the downswing if your body’s CoG lowers. But if that doesn’t lower and you are just tilting the neck downward in the downswing, that’s a problem.
3JACK
I think that’s spot on Richie,
Many instructors who tell their students to keep their head still probably say it because the students are dipping for the wrong reasons. (maybe to offset an imbalance in the swing)
Fact remains that it’s the wrong solution (unless the student is deliberately moving his head in the first place )
The S&T instruction wants pretty much as stationary of a head as possible, particularly on the backswing. Most of the time if you draw a circle around the great golfers head at address, the head may move outside of the circle a bit on the backswing, but at impact it usually returns back to that circle. The golfers who tend to have a closed clubface at the top of the swing tend to have their head go more towards the target in the backswing and then on the downswing it goes away from the target and back into the circle.
Nicklaus is a big exception though. His head pretty much stays still the entire backswing. If you remember, Nicklaus rotated his head back at address because he was left-eye dominant. But on the downswing, right before impact, Nicklaus’ head moves away from the target and starts going outside the ‘circle’ that would be drawn at address. From what I’ve been told, the MORAD stuff is very much into where the eyes are pointing and where the head is throughout the golf swing.
3JACK
Knudson talked about the center of the swing being down below the naval, or chi center, of which I agree.
George was one of the great all time ball strikers, and was well aware of this, and pounded home that concept
in his book. “The head goes where it goes”
I don’t see how trying to keep the head still is going to teach you a proper golf swing. There certainly are movements that would not be acceptable for the head… I don’t think we have any kind of “free for all” regarding head movement. However,
it should not be the focus of what a good golf swing is… by simply staying stationary.
Is this because the dip is needed…since if there is proper lag…that the left shoulder will be higher at impact than at address therefore requiring the “dip”.
Thats the way I see it and try to do also…hope it’s not wrong.
Every single top ball striker is going to increase knee bend at transition, and into the downswing. This is vital for many reasons. We can use this to change direction of the club without spending rotation early. We increase vertical ground pressures that allow us to offer more stability through impact, and also gives us a stronger working foundation to rotate through impact by creating opposing forces. The lowering also flattens our swing plane and give better access to the 4:30 line.
Bending the knees however is going to drop the head down… welcome this. If you are trying to keep your head still doing this, then you would have to straighten up the torso to compensate adding a move in the golf swing that does not have to be there… and you would also be making your swing plane more upright unnecessarily by doing so…
Certainly logic would tell us that a stationary head would be vital to keeping a constant radius from the ball, but we don’t swing the club in a perfect circle, and our feet ARE NOT BOLTED TO THE GROUND… like any kind or machine would be such as Iron Byron.
The other day Barkow and I played, and I forgot my golf shoes… so I played in tennis shoes… which was a horrible feeling… but because my footwork has improved, I was able to shoot 70 because I was still able to root into the ground properly enough to hit a lot of good golf shots. However, NOT ADVISABLE!
Hey Lag…quick question…I think
Sometimes we see a tour player have their R arm come off the club after P4…it almost looks like the Charley Lau style of basball hitting…although that disconnection is cleary unwanted.
What’s the primary cause of that, or is there a short list of possible causes. RR
I have seen pictures of Couples and VJ with their right hand dangling off the club at impact…
But these guys are really pure CF swingers, so the pull is very much from the left side, and these guys feel
that the right hand is going to be if anything, an unfriendly interference with CF…
As a hitter you would not want to be doing this however…
lag,
There is another aspect regarding bending the knees starting at transition… injecting kinetic energy into the golf swing…hence a power move.
However there is one essential condition… it has to be done impulsively - a large effort done in a small time interval.
When the downward acceleration and subsequent deceleration are done quick enough kinetic energy becomes available for increasing clubhead speed before impact.
The only golf instruction book I am aware of mentioning this specific power move is Joe Norwood in 'Golf-O-‘Metrics’. He refers to it as the ‘sitz’.
Whenever I see Tiger Woods swinging a club I always have the vivid impression that he is very much executing a ‘sitz’.
Mandrin wrote:
When the downward acceleration and subsequent deceleration are done quick enough kinetic energy becomes available for increasing clubhead speed before impact.
This is very much like a pitcher’s transition in baseball. Note how how the knee bends and everything drops during his transition. The raised mound accentuates his ability to drop, and the rubber gives him a “hold” to accentuate the ground forces that help him transfer the kinetic energy of the drop into his delivery.
Me thinks “lowering by way of the knees” in addition to the many benefits Lag mentions, also goes hand-in-hand with saving the R arm.
If we compare the distance from the R hand to R shoulder @ address versus that distance at the top as a result of the R arm bending at the elbow, that distance @ the top is now shorter than at address. In order to “save that distance” as much as possible, one has to find a way to get that shorter radius to the ground.
I will go out on a limb ( easy for us rats to do since we don’t weigh much ) and say that saving R arm in this manner makes Mod 3 much more viable for use as an accelerating vehicle.