Lag, lightbulb moments and videotape

I received my persimmon driver from Lag in the post today, posted all the way from San Francisco. It has all the hallmarks of a finely crafted instrument with evidence of fine attention to detail.

It is also special because of its characteristics which embrace so many features that one seeks in ABS; for example, it is flat, very flat, 10 degrees flat, to promote the trademark flat in, steep out swing that we strive for. It is unforgiving of poorly executed shots but rewarding of well crafted swings…there is no hiding place.

If there is such a thing as truth serum in golf, this is it.

Confessions of a TGM addict!
For more years than I can remember I have slavishly followed the TGM accululator sequence of 4-1-2-3. Consequently, I have always let my straightening right arm dump every ounce of left wrist cock I had. I saw some pics recently where just passed p3 my left wrist was totally uncocked. So I got to tinkering with the sequence. And my thinking was I would hold the left wrist cock and let #3 accumulator uncock the left wrist when it fired. So, now my sequence feels like 4-1-3-2-4. Wow! What a difference. Before, with my left wrist totally uncocked, it was as if I was somehow blocked from rotating my left wrist through the ball. Can’t say that is my actual sequence, but that is how it feels. Now my gun has bullets in it! Thanks Lag!

I can verify that it is indeed a thing of beauty.

Aguille was puring it at the range!

When I said truth serum…I meant truth serum! Its actually very difficult to hit this club well and Styles is being somewhat overgenerous! Thanks anyway Andrew!

It has taken me a long time to let go of the safety net approach of using very forgiving modern clubs and really embracing the purity of old fashioned blades and persimmons. My practice sessions are now much more rewarding and constructive even if they are less flattering. I have seen a dramatic improvement in my scores recently which I think coincides with adopting this more rigorous practice regime as well as Lag helping me turn on some major lightbulbs or should I say floodlights.

Probably the two most important of these are appreciating and understanding the role of the saved right arm post impact and beyond to PV5. The other major lightbulb for me has been appreciating just how really steep the plane gets up to PV5 and bound in with all that is a closer feel for opposing forces in the swing.

Mark,

Great points about saving the right arm and the steepness into pv5! I was working module 3 today and as tough as the drill still is to me I’m noticing that I’m having a much easier time keeping my right foot firmly planted all the way into the pv5 position (in fact it’s no problem at all now). It was very difficult for me to do that in the early months (wow… has it been months?). I take solace that even though I may not get steep enough with my real swing, something in my body is changing and we’re heading in the right direction.

How good do the “good ones” feel with the LP1 driver?!

robbo

Rob,

Thanks for persuading me to go persimmon!

As you say, something in the swing DNA changes after six months of drilling and its nice to see this filter through to our real scores. Module 3 is really key…so many good things going on, right foot, ground pressures, saved torso rotation cutting it left, saved right arm, form 1 lever, opposing forces, steep exit.

That said, the slow motion replays of actual swings really identify just how much room for improvement there is. Thats the other piece of advice that would be good for fellow students, its really worthwhile investing in a good quality slow motion camera that has the facility to take 300 fps videos. The difference between feel and real can be quite a reality check!

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It is fun playing with old stuff. I did today. I was so tired mentally I had to get out of the house and do some exercise. What better way than 9 holes at Royal Pines? HEHE.
I was also curious because it was the first time after I started whacking the bag. No range, no practice, nothing. Well…
I almost hit the pin 3 times. Seriously. 5 GIR. Twice I hit a 4i blade from around 165 m landing on the green after drawing in the sky. I was absolutely ecstatic. On a par 3 I used my 9i, landed on the green 5-7 m from the hole and holed the putt for a birdie. Used my Persimmon 3 wood as well: first swing was atrocious but after the first couple of holes I started hitting them quite well. On a par 5 I hit my new tech driver and my old 3 wood and believe it or not I was only about 10 m in front with the driver. Different flight, very penetrating with the wood. I am really really happy and I didn’t have so much fun in ages. I wish somebody had been with me filming my swing. Could also be a mental thing but I can feel I’m hitting the ball better because I hit the bag.
I also became aware of my feet and legs. The stance Lag has advised has got me more balanced and on the ground and I feel I have to bend my knees more than what I used to and it clearly feels that my club is coming from inside out, on a much flatter plane than before, just like during the bag drill with the clubs on the ground we can visually see the path to our eyes.
And I’m only on module 1! Can’t wait for time to engrain the drills into my everyday swing.
I also need a persimmon driver, NEED not WANT :laughing:

It’s really addicting to hear that “smack” of the ball instead of the “tings”, “clangs”, and other nasty sounds from hollow titanium zeppelins on a stick!

Pip, I also found the distance to be not so different and because of the weight of persimmon…much straighter and easier to maneuver. Also, the irons are shorter by about 5 yards or so because the club specs not being artificially increased (longer shafts and lower degree lofts) to give the appearance of more length. My only regret are my Dad’s Hogan 1+'s are all aluminum shafts. Unfortunately, Aluminum has a dead feel compared to steel (at least to me).

I could get them changed easy enough, but it’ll take a craftsman because the shafts are pinned. I won’t even touch on the skill-set needed for the whipping on the woods (1W, 3W, 4W, 5W, 7W).

Have fun with the “new” equipment. And for those that haven’t acted on an old set…you really are missing out. Get them for a song on e-Bay or somebody’s garage sale and open your eyes to a different game.

Cheers,
Scott

Its been quite a while since I last posted on this thread but it has not been due to any lack of lightbulb moments….instead I have taken to posting solely on the module forums. It occurred to me that it would not be a bad idea to write a short piece on some seminal learning points and blind alleys to help my fellow students while at the same time documenting my ‘feels’ for future reference. Some of what you will read may make some immediate sense, some may not, it doesn’t really matter but if some of you find even part of it useful then it will have been worth the effort. It may be that some of what I have written will become clearer as one progresses in the modules.

I am now in module 5 having started in Lag’s first cohort of students in March 2009. I am not one of those students that began shooting stellar scores right from the get-go but I will return to this aspect later. When I joined the class, my game was really in tatters and I was struggling to break 90 playing off a handicap of 9. Realistically, my true handicap was nearer 20. My handicap rose to 10 by the end of the summer as I worked my way through modules 1 to 3. To be fair, I impatiently tried too hard to consciously incorporate the modules in my playing game with the effect that I was plagued with swing thoughts rather than letting it just wash in. I would strongly advise students to just play when they play, forget about the modules and enjoy the game…with the view that your scores may get worse before they get better, as mine did. How do you know they are going to get better though? What if Lag’s drills are just some smoke and mirrors stuff that we have all tried zillions of times before?

Well, one swallow does not make a summer but I want to relate my scoring and playing experience over the last few months as much as a kind of self reflective exercise as well as possibly something that you may find useful. Come late November/ December…something started to click, I had worked assiduously on module 4, refining my ‘secret map’ from p3 to pv5. I started to play with a bit more freedom, less concerned about individual module segments and more about just the overall feel of shots…the concept of opposing forces was and remains a powerful concept to grasp in Lag’s method. I was starting to find that even B- strikes were landing on the fairway or the green…in short, my misses got a lot better. Also the number of destructive shots drastically reduced…one reads all these books about managing your game, plotting your way around the course etc…truth is, if you have an arsenal of destructive shots, no amount of clever management can really save you. I made a big jump in my game by largely eradicating disastrous shots and really making my misses playable. I also found that I tried a bit harder and concentrated harder because I was starting to actually play and score…I had something worth grafting for.

In December, I had 5 or 6 scores in the mid 70s but these were non qualifying…although I was able to proudly provide our family with the Xmas turkey I had won with 32 points over 14 holes, having missed out the previous week with 34 points! I had several scores of under par for 9 holes which was a very new experience for me. There then followed a long two month break which is unusual in Britain because we tend to play through the winter but we had unusual snow and ice so most courses were closed for 6 weeks, then some hols added up to a two month break. I was a bit unsure about what to expect on my return, I had started a new module and not had much of a chance to hit balls even on the range…although I did sneak on to a frozen practice ground on Xmas day to hit 20 balls before hypothermia and common sense put an end to that!

I have had a ridiculously crazy start to the new Year with three low 70s scores on my home course and a nice back 9 with Styles at a links course. This afternoon, I finished 3 under par for the last 8 holes missing from 4 ft on 16 and 3 putting from 20 ft on 14. Suffice it to say that I genuinely believe that my game is changing fast which is very gratifying considering that I was so disgusted with my game that I had seriously considered giving it up in February last year. Its not really the scores that are noteworthy here…its that I am hitting quality golf shots and that when I have the inevitable mishits, they are largely playable.

Now, enough about scores, I really just wanted to provide some context of the progression of my game as I have worked through the modules….from struggling to break 90 to breaking 75 and shooting under par through 9 holes becoming something that was not extraordinary. Lets move on to the major learning points. I am conscious that there will be mention of later modules for those that are starting or midway but that’s OK…you will all get there in time, this is not a race and if you try to run before you can walk, you trip over. The better you can do the modules, the better you will play and the quicker you will improve, I am always finding some way to improve my module work for the earlier modules, there is no shame in this either, even Lag has to revise these drills!

In no particular order, because they often come that way… Understanding the importance of retaining connection in the golf swing was really the thing that kickstarted my ball striking, Lag had been on at me about the importance of pressurising into the left armpit even way back in module 1…this is a key lesson to understand that the arms do not fly around independently, they follow the direction of the torso/pivot.

The shallow, open, coming from way inside, 430 line attack…and then cutting it left, module 3 stuff…creating opposing forces that puts feel in your hands, that’s mega, even for little chips. I would strongly recommend that you really try to read everything Lag has written on the forum about opposing forces and try to sense it as you go through the modules.

Knowing the secret map…module 4, this is where I started to really forget about modules when I was playing because I understood and trusted the path of the club.

The lay off at p3, we learn this in module 5, some players like Robbo are stellar at this already, indeed many of the better players are probably stellar at some or most of the modules, I had the fortune to be no good or not innately talented at any of them so they were all huge learning experiences for me! The lay off adds finesse and more power…its difficult to describe but the new hand attitudes really add polish to everything that we learnt in the preceding modules…come to think of it, all the modules do that. Back to the lay off…its crazy how deep, laid off, wide open and downward dropping the shaft feels. That’s been a mega feeling to learn…I still have a long way to go to own it but the difference in compression it produces is huge.

Well, overall, these ‘feels’ give you feeling that the swing is a lot more loopy than it used to be…almost like a figure of 8…gone are my preconceptions of fixed positions in the golf swing, I think now mainly of trying to get off plane, Pre and post impact but when one checks the film, it looks on plane…crazy stuff!

The last ‘feel’ I am going to leave you with is the idea of using the bounce of the golf club, something that Twomasters got me thinking about way back…the ABS program gets you delivering the club way open, way inside, laid off, very flat…it feels to me like the back of the club faces downwards from transition. Now get this, it ‘feels’ to me like I create the divot with the back of the club and that I kind of spank or percuss the ground with the back of the club at the same time as striking the ball. The back of the club ‘feels’ as though it is still facing the ground even at p4, right palm facing upwards, its like a skimming sensation……my divots are no longer deep gouges but little skiffs of grass with a liitle dirt…not quite bacon strips yet but I am working on it. Having a frozen right arm, or frozen right elbow is key for this and you guys should search for Lag’s inverted cone imagery to know where to get started on developing that motion.

In summary, for me now, the clubface feels flat, laid off and wide open all the way from transition to p4… I know that sounds crazy but there it is…that’s what I feel, a pivot led swing, very rotational, very flat

Connection, opposing forces, a swing governed by the pivot/ torso rather than the arms are the key concepts that come to mind, I have bashed this all out in 20 mins just after returning from playing with no editing or reflection so it may be that I have left out some other major lightbulbs. I will add them as they pop up.

FWIW Aiguile nice post & keep’em coming…I learn best by thinking slightly ahead meaning if I’m in Module X, I like to wonder what’s in Module X+1.

Great read, Aguille, and congrats on the progress! Great stuff…
One of the things you mentioned regarding the bounce of the club reminded me of this photo that Twomasters posted. I was thinking of posting it just recently to see what people thought of it- it’s funny how synchronicity works like that. I’ve played around with a similar feeling, but when I noticed the details of where the wear is on the back of his driver, I was really intrigued by it… very interesting stuff!
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awesome post—thanks, man

Great post Aiguille. You give inspiration to the idea that we must let ABS filter into our swing DNA and not try to force unnatural positions. I agree with so much of what you say. For example, reading Lag’s various posts about the golf swing really helps in proper interpretation of the modules. Maybe it’s not a must but it’s a big big help. When on module 5 it’s possible to still make adjustments all the way back in mod 1 and mod 2. I feel I’m still improving modules 1 to 4 a long time after starting them. The idea that we must feel off plane to be on plane is also becoming a reality. Perhaps the biggest lightbulb for me so far has been that the arms move very little in a good golf swing - it’s an illusion that the golf swing is an arm swing, as has been said by quite a few people - the pivot is the master accumulator - and the moment we understand that all our module work improves. Even Lag’s latest Mod 3 supplementary video has vastly improved my Mod 3 work.

Thanks for that Aiguille! Your (and others) imagery helps immensely.

It’s also nice to know that my way open feeling of the club head is a good one (for Module #5). I also like the imagery of skimming with the back of the club and the hands feeling like they are facing the sky. My best shots feel that way as well. All seems counter-intuitive, but works like a charm. No wonder this game is so elusive.

Cheers,

Captain Chaos

Just wanted to echo the others who have already said congrats Aiguille - a wonderful post on all sorts of levels. Well done - really great to hear.

Cheers, Arnie

Yeah, nice stuff Aug, nice to hear the results are coming after so much hard work too.

I’ll touch upon one or two of those ideas too. One of the light bulb moments I had was when thinking about something Lag said about tweaking direction by working modules 1 and 3. Cut it more with module 3, draw it more with module 1. I haven’t developed a draw just yet, so now I’m back to module 1 some days, and sure enough, the ball is fading less and less, and on a few shots a nice draw develops. I then thought, if this is something I can do with a week of mixing up my modules a bit, then this is a tool for our swings, even years after we “graduate” from ABS. We become our own golf teachers!!! Here’s what Lag said about that in an email (hope he doesn’t mind) shortly after I got to module 3:
[i]always apply module 2 ground pressures doing module #1 drills…

and yes… figure on doing all the modules with some regularity.

I do all the modules about 100 reps of each daily…
module #2, #3 #6 are the core biomechanical modules… and I will do #5 if I am going
to be playing an event… and #4 I will use if I am going to film my swing or need a tune up.

Of course all these will be covered… but do keep up with module #2.[/i]

So that was great to hear that the modules aren’t over when they are over, because it means we still have potential to improve/fix things even after finishing.

Another light bulb from your post was the unlikely directions we feel being nothing like what really happens. I feel like I’m shoving hard to the left (being left handed) pre impact, then pulling hard to the right post impact. It adds a tonne of feel, but the ball will hate it for sure? Nup, ball loves it.

I think back on some of those old Lag posts on ISG, and by module 3, so much more of it makes sense. Before the modules, I was inspired enough by what he wrote, but now I’m actually here, I’m actually feeling what he was writing about. Very nice.

I will actually go back and read through the epic thread again soon, as a lot of ABS is in there, you just have to know how to interpret it all.

Thanks guys!

Hi BomGolf222,

The idea of using the bounce that Twomasters described really espouses so many of the ABS core principles; a shallow laid off entry entry, more of a U shaped swing, axis tilt, presenting all the loft, pivot rotation etc…to mention just a few!

I asked Two masters a while back if he would mind posting a couple of personal replies he wrote to some questions I asked for the benefit of the forum ABS students. He posted one on the student forum and I posted another in the module 5 forum…here are both again to save you time.

[i]That sounds good…my thought about using the bounce for all shots (even if there is only minimal bounce on our lower lofted clubs) is that it promotes what you talked about…bacon strip thin divots
When you start using the leading edge …you tend to get steep into the ball, upright plane into the ball etc etc
Using the bounce helps you keep the spinal tilt…helps body rotation by staying behind the shot and so on…it’s all good stuff
I think it will pretty much take care of itself as you keep going along the module process and you won’t have to worry about it but certainly understanding the logic behind it will help you advance along
Obviously the farther you advance along the modules the more you will understand this…like you are doing now…you will also know that it isn’t a huge difference in feel or even probably in the look of your swing…but it will make a big difference in your ball control.
Sounds like you are progressing along well…keep at it

A good image of it would be ’
…V’ shape swing…steeper, narrower, more of leading edge down and into ball
versus
… ‘U’ shape swing…wider, shallower, allowing the back (bounce) to help shape and control the shot

Steep ‘V swing’ can work well on tight, hard lies but can spell danger on soft ground…shallower ‘U swing’ works well in all turf conditions when we have mastered our mod 1 impact position[/i]

[b]
I have been thinking long and hard about this sensation that we have talked about- using the bounce of the club on full shots too… (I can’t find where we spoke of it, so am sending a message thru)
I think it all ties in…shallow 4.30 entry…fast pivot acceleration at and through impact… all make this feeling possible and an actual occurrence. I know that’s what I felt like I used to do but was a little unsure as to why I did it or felt it… I now know why I did a lot of things with my home grown swing as I was growing up by being involved in the ABS site and talking to Lag.
If you get steep and the body stops- it will just be a leading edge dump into the ball…If you keep the tilt- come in shallow-rotate thru with speed and put all the modules together module 1-thru module 6 (that I know of)… that’s the feeling you are going to get

I posted an awesome pic of Trevino in private area (impact of the pros)…a 3 frame pic of mod 1…impact and then thru…it’s at the top of one of the recent pages
You can see the club (even though it is a driver)…be very shallow and allow for exactly the ‘bounce’ feeling we have been discussing.
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Enjoy…and say thank you again to Twomasters!

Hi sb944,

I never really doubted that the results would come but I thought it would be helpful to give my fellow students a point of reference about when one’s swing DNA started to change. I really regard this as a two year program and indeed it has taken me 11 months to progress 5 modules…

Lag told me that it would be in the two years after I completed the program that my biggest improvements would occur…I can well believe this because I know that i have a much keener understanding of module 1 now than I ever did before. I can’t stress how important it is to revise Lag’s module videos and his supplementary videos…as much to hear the immortal line at the end of the module 1 supplementary video…‘GET TO WORK!’ :smiley:

Didn’t you get the class itinerary sb944?! After module 11 Lag stands before us in a saffron colored windbreaker and holds a Titleist Tour Wound in his open hand and states, “When you can snatch the golf ball from my hand, it will be time for you to leave.” :wink:

Captain Chaos

Lag (Holding his hand up): NO!!! Don’t focus on the ball. You have to feel it. Use the ground, move around your chi core, active hands, focus on completing the move, the ball just gets in the way. Then… the ball will love you, and it will be yours.