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Working on SS from a short arm travel on the range yesterday I had the feeling of my left elbow aiming way to the right. I discovered that on the way down I could rotate my left forearm CCW as I start delivery without the elbow movingā¦and by doing that the elbow kind of reached its limit and then snapped back. I liked this and it seemed to produce a better compressed shot. I tried to draw my feel. I know the clubhead doesnāt really go dead left like this but that was what it feel like. Anyone else experience this?
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Sorry, birdās eye view. The club is at the top of the backswing and the straight red line would be the ball line. Got some additional thoughts on this that would be cheese to a Range Rat!
Notice how the figure skater extends her arms and leg before getting narrow:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQLtcEAG9v0[\youtube]
Notice how Johnās left arm extends away from him as he deepens into delivery, and how far to the right his left elbow is aiming.
Compare Jamie. Notice how Jamieās left arm stays away from him at impact.
I think a lot about the opposing pressures forward and backward and up and down, but maybe not enough about the pressures out in front of us and behind us.
So if we try to create as much space between our left arm and our left hip at delivery, while saving as much rotation as possible for post impact thrust, we reach an anatomical limit and go from wide to narrow in an instant and have all the thrust we can handle post impact. Could it be the downswing starts at the red line in my drawing? That is the starting line when everything is compressed together. Bang!
For some reason the figure skater spin video didnāt post. I forgot to mention that I think the reason Jamie stays out and John comes back in is ground forces. Jamie humps that goat. John uses his right foot for control and leverage.
I think, I am working on something similarā¦ I wish I could shift my left arm out like John does.
Watch at Parallel 3 where my left elbow points - IMO a must to use maximal forearm rotation.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-dXYyMYBHE[/youtube]
I have as well the sensation I reached an biomechanical limit without moving the left elbow.
Actually my left shoulder rotator is to weak to cope with the counter forces - work in progressā¦
Chris
like thisā¦??
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Eagle,
Yes that is a good one.
So is this one:
But then you have guys that stay out there, rather than pop back in at and past impact:
The difference has to be that one has an anatomical limit that he snaps back from, and the other just keeps going. The feeling I am having is that there is a very small passage that we are sucked through at and post impact if we have the opposing forces stretched to their anatomical limit as we start delivery.
I feel stretched to my anatomical limit in front of me (left arm and sternum), behind me (left hip) and to the right of me (right foot)ā¦and I reach this anatomical limit right at the red line (impact) and everything collapses and comes together and I pass through this small hole. Kind of like this:
What happened to low, left and around? I think I get you, though, once you reach that anatomical limit, the left arm collapsing gets you low and left?
One other thing, I think John in the past has mentioned that his bowed left wrist at that point in the swing in that pic you posted, and his bowed left arm is more an illusion or a result of aggressive pivoting, CFing like crazy right before he goes into the CP orbit pull. Maybe he can comment. Either way, sounds like a great thing to try and feel, especially getting to that anatomical limit and subsequent collapsing in, sounds automatic.
Then we are talking about two totally different things. IMO steep swingplanes need to shallow out thru a lot
of handle raising and this would shift the left arm too much out (as well smaler PA3 angle)ā¦
Nothing wrong with this but this would be steep to shallow instead of flat to steeper.
I was talking about the upper left arm stays at Parallel 3 as long as possible in internal rotation -
but the forearm starts to rotate against it. And IMO there is a biomechanical limit - if the forearm rotation is
spent the bicep will assist the left arm rotation and then the left humerus goes in external rotation and
your upper left arm reconnectsā¦
Anyway that is what I feelā¦
Chris
Your videos are great Chris, glad you post. I notice that your chin is pointing at your left foot through impact, Hogans is more to his right foot. Hogan said, " the chin always points at the foot relieving itself of weight." What are your thoughts, do you think he was correct about this in every swing or as a most swings idea.
It is something that I use to never think about and do not actively, but over the past few months I have been working to control every movement of the swing from the ground up. Weight shift does not come to mind, played basedball for many years and was the best teacher of the correct weight shift. I use to feel that my shoulders started the backswing, have been making it a push off the left foot similar in feeling to the video Lag posted about Hogans left foot slide.
Your welcomeā¦
In my case it is more that my neck mobility is only 75% in either directionā¦ 30 years of windsurfing shortened
my trapezius musclesā¦
But actually it looks like I release my neck tilt - interestingly in my other sports you lead with the head and follow
with the body as an impulseā¦ think how you would do a forward or back loop into the pool - you would start with
the head - just my thoughts on it.
BTW I never read that quote of Ben Hoganā¦
Chris
Thanks, there was some info in a thread that did not let me know exaclty. Your weight tranfers and looks good, thats what made me think. Like reading any Hogan quotes, I am still surprised at how exacting he was.
Congrats!
Great to see a persimmon player beating up on the frying pans!
jfischer13
fischer also uses an oil hardened ABSed Mac M85 2 wood to both drive with and play off the fairway. We just stuck a new āpoleā shaft into it.
Congratsā¦ next stopā¦ the 60ās!
