Interesting Conversation with former 1970's PGA Tour Winner

I had a very interesting and in depth conversation with a former journeyman PGA Tour player this week. I could.. but feel best not to mention his name as the context of our conversation was strictly off the record…so I will respect that.

His background and accomplishments are commendable to say the least.

Held PGA Tour card for 12 straight years…. 1974 through 1986

Won one time on the PGA Tour

Finished 9th in the Masters, 11th in the PGA Championship twice, 12th in the US Open

Came out of retirement after 11 years of being a sales rep and won 3 times on the Champions Tour

We were introduced through a mutual friend, and the conversation started basically about his accomplishments, his time growing up around the game, his military duty in Vietnam and his heros and golf idols growing up.

I then asked him about what he thought about the modern game. This is when the “F” bombs started to fly. To say he was pissed off would be a huge understatement. He was absolutely livid.

He was so angry at the USGA for allowing golf to be compromised like this, the integrity of the courses destroyed, and how his generation has been totally thrown under the bus and disrespected.

I asked him why the players of his generation don’t speak out about this much and he said “What can you do? We all are still in the game that we committed to and loved, gave our lives to golf, and most of us still have some kind of association with equipment companies, corporate outings etc.. and we just can’t come across as angry grumpy old men. It doesn’t look good. But let me tell you, the disgust for the USGA amongst us is unanimous.”

So I said, if you are out to dinner away from the clubhouses, courses etc… with one of your contemporaries, is this a hot topic? “Absolutely, it’s almost all we talk about. How did we get here (Golf)?

Then he started throwing out stats.. about how the longest hitter in the late 70’s early 80’s was Dan Pohl, and I mentioned John McComish also. “They were averaging just over 270 which was really long. The average tour player was 252 and he was around 243”. “We could still compete with the longest hitters because the balata ball was high spinning and they would just miss more fairways and be in trouble more often. It evened out pretty well”.

I can’t even type here how he was describing the folks governing at the USGA. But if you write a list of every possible obscenity repeated 5 times you would get the idea. He said the USGA were absolutely compromised by $$$, bought out and sold out… and he started naming names, most of which were not familiar to me… but were key players in the compromising.

One of the great stories was about how in his 2nd Masters appearance, he was paired with Gene Sarazen and Jackie Burke came over to talk to Gene and saw his bag with some Ping Irons in it. “Jackie picked up my irons, looked and Gene and said “What the __ is this __” Then he turned to me and said boy? you play this ________? Let me tell you something, you’ll never know how good you might have been… then walked away”.

He then told me ….

“I do think about that from time to time, and I felt that those Ping’s did help me, but I do wonder if they were right in hindsight”.

I asked him who was the best ball striker he ever saw… he said “George Knudson”. “A horrible putter and a terrible alcoholic, but his ball striking was incredible. I used to just watch him in awe”

Then he said “I never met or saw Hogan hit balls in person”. He also said Trevino was incredible, but Jack was by far the best player.

He also talked about how the younger generation (now) has little or no interest in the players of his generation. The game has changed that much. “They feel we are completely irrelevant”

I really felt sad to hear that… it really is horrible.

Can you imagine the era of Watson, Miller, Seve, Price, Faldo, Strange, Crenshaw etc having no interest in Jack, Gary, Arnie, Casper, or Hogan, Nelson Snead.. or even Hagen, Jones, Sarazen?

To think a fine player, so accomplished would feel this way about the game he grew up with, loved, committed to as a life’s work could possibly feel so angry, deceived and disrespected.

There was a lot more of course and we spoke for about two hours. I really learned a lot, and really enjoyed the insight into the life of such a player from that great generation. To be fair, I actually find the journeyman players to be most interesting, because they are the ones who really played purely for love of the game. They just squeaked out a living, nothing fancy, maybe would own a modest middle class home, support a wife and a child or two, but that even was hard at times. Nothing like the money the players make today. Very few players back then made enough on tour to retire to the countryside and live off their winnings and pensions.

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‘What’s his name’ was pretty tough on old George. It’s funny that he worked for Ping for a number of years after retiring despite having some second thoughts about playing with Pings during his career!

I really found the conversation very refreshing and to hear someone speak unfiltered felt genuinely authentic and honest. I posted the interview recently from Goose Gossage with him talking about the direction baseball has taken, very similar. However the changes in golf have been far more drastic than baseball. At least baseball is still using a wound ball and lumber.

The transition from persimmon to titanium was a gray area for probably a decade. At first the differences were subtle, more or less just preference. There were still successful players using persimmon when I left the tour in 93. Langer won the Masters in 93 with persimmon. I didn’t follow golf much if at all after that… so I didn’t see the arrival of the giant headed drivers. I can’t stand to even look at them, nothing about them resonates with me. The ball looks like a marble, way too much bulge and roll, way too upright, way too light, no feel to the head. Feels like I would have to completely disconnect my arms and hands from my body to move it as if someone asked me to hit a golf ball with a fly swatter…. there would be little need to use my body. There is no possible way I would be able to hold shaft flex with any kind of normal swing, and I would lose the ability to shape the ball off the tee. I know this from just looking at the club and feeling it in my hands. They feel like golf swing poison from the perspective of ball control.

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Hi John:-

I agree with your thoughts on the metal drivers. Golf isn’t the only sport that has gone in this direction. Look at a pro tennis match from the early 1970’s and compare it to the way they play now. In both cases equipment, money, training and nutrition have been factors.

P.S. - I only follow BWF badminton on the computer now because their prize money is at 1970ish level and the players are amazing athletes. I lost interest in other sports when the players became wealthy celebrities living in gated communities rather than middle income earners living with the rest of us!

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As far as stick and ball games… Crickett is #1, Baseball #2 Golf #3

Crickett and Baseball both still using lumber. Crickett even rejected bamboo as it had a different characteristic to the bat.

No one argues that MLB is wood bats. College, little league use metal.

Golf could have done the same thing.. metal for amateurs and wood in the show.

I think had they done that.. PGA Tour kept with wood, there wouldn’t be the conversations going on

about the ball going too far etc..

I turned on the tv and watched about 5 minutes of the US Am. The second hole I would hit long iron or 4 wood in. They were hitting wedges. It was all kids in the quarter finals… between 16 and 22. When I was in the quarter finals in 83, Jay was near 40 I think. Allan Doyle, Bob Lewis… Buddy Maruchi were all Mid Am players competing in the field. Jay won it that year. If “youth” had a slight distance advantage, the older guys had experience and knew more shots. That was the beauty of it. The USGA ads are like some kind of propaganda campaign. “For the good of the game”. What is that? Says who? Them? I could make a long laundry list of how it is NOT good for the game.

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