Nelson’s release was less rotational, because he forced the clubhead dtl…off it’s more natural arc. I don’t think his release was more handsy…it was really a hold off until the buckle. Of course, the longer you try to keep the clubhead moving dtl, the more violent the cross over will be when it happens since the path is being forced outside of the arc.
You can maintain lots of knee flex and still be rotational, but the rotation will eventually cause the left knee flex to lessen or straighten depending on your flexibility.
We study leg action in ABS in mod 2. Bradley has several youtube videos that discuss how the legs work in a rotational swing.
I think we’re seeing the same thing, it’s just that on this site “handsy” has a negative connotation, like a swear word around children or something.
I do like the commentary on the violentness of his release being due to him moving the club off of the natural arc until he couldn’t hold it anymore. Very interesting.
Well actually from you. You said Grady was still coming in steep and thrusting his right arm in the swing postings thread on pg 11, even though he was not. chris golf showed Grady had a good release. But because Grady didn’t look like Hogan through impact he was called out.
NRG has made remarkable improvement in ABS. In another thread you can find his before and after and it is stunning. I didn’t take offense to his comment about my swing. I think there is truth in it. Of course, that doesn’t mean I don’t have the same intentions or work at those intentions any less. I think it is fair to say I was a more accomplished player coming to ABS, which makes my transformation harder. I have played at a relatively high level since my teens, and I am now 54. Those pathways are hard to alter. I think Bradley would echo the same thing…of course he plays at an exponentially higher level and hit many thousands of balls more than me ingraining the wrong intentions in the 2000s. But in the end we are all working on the same intentions even those we will all look a bit different.
Thrusting the right arm is not necessarily saying they are “handsy”. I believe both John and Bradley are very clear about actively firing your forearms AND hands into impact. Here are a couple of quotes from Brad he posted on the dirt that I like.
“The hands fire into the strike via the forearm/body range , working against the want for things to slow down and try align themselves on the strike.”
"The hands don’t roll as they have fired from a range of motion. The pivot then overtakes any want to move the arms and hands away from the trunk and disrupt the clubface… "
My response was regarding NRG’s comment about my most recent swing posting where he said he saw some right arm thrust. I acknowledge that. My bigger point was that it might be harder for me to break that than someone else who hasn’t played for 40 years at a relatively high level. I may never fully divorce myself from that right arm thrust, but I have tamed it to a large extent.
Grady, I know you have made great progress post impact, I’ve seen your old videos before ABS and you used to roll the face closed soon after impact, now you don’t, great progress. I am sure you will get to where you want to be, you work too hard not to. I do think though that you still don’t have your forearms open at P3, the videos show this. If you don’t have you forearms rotated open at p3 then there is not much else to do other than thrust the right arm. If the forearms aren’t rotated open then you cant unrotate them into the ball. I struggled with this for about 2 or 3 years after starting ABS, its not easy stuff. I will say it again, but it was M8 that sorted things out for me, not M6 or SS.
Nfbandon, I share the determination to have a lower delivery (low vertical swing plane: VSP). I found that there is a direct correlation between my accuracy and how low my VSP is (I own a trackman and can easily see the correlation in the data: it is the most determent factor for me). My ball striking improved a good bit with abs and I captured most of lag’s intentions. However, after take some time off due to injury, I am sometimes get lazy (weak mod3) and wind up inaccurate with a high VSP. But, I’ve also found the easiest way “for me” to get back to a deep and low VSP is to drill lag’s SS drill and maintain that openness while trying to cup the left wrist through impact. I know that sounds nuts but it forces a powerful mod 3 and allows for low VSP. Those impact intentions sound counter to what you wrote above but figured id share.
From John Jacobs Instruction Book