Golf Restoration Solutions

John,

Did you ever hook up with Lindy Miller? I am sure you know him as a golfer, but he operates the Ben Hogan Foundation in Fort Worth. I met him last fall and passed along his contact information to you. He might be a good one to talk to about getting an image of Hogan to link with the persimmon movement. PM me if you want his contact information again.

P.S. He offered to show me all of Hogan’s equipment and play Shady Oaks. If you can ever head over here I would be glad to get that round set up for you.

Grady

Yes, I have been meaning to do that…

Not sure what angle I should come at him from… as I don’t know his position on anything, other than he was a hell of a player at one time.

But a lot of these guys like the frying pans because they can go out and play decent golf with zero practice. But of course non of them play as well as they used to when they were molding their swings from much better gear that did take a little bit of work to keep in the groove.

i realize there is alot of time, effort and resources at the present moment to get the upcoming event rolling and successful which
understandably will go along way to stir up interest and alot of this is probably falling on lag’s shoulders…and keep in mind i do not know
anything about running a golf tour…but at some point consideration has to be given to what a sponsor will get out of backing a series of events.

i think finding a rich guy who misses the good old days to sponsor one off events is not a sustainable business plan as i am sure you would all agree.
we live in a what’s in it for me/bang for the buck society so at some point i think the/this movement will need to start addressing that.

i am not intending to change the direction of this thread because i think there is alot of great ideas here, but it is a golf restoration solutions
thread so i thought i’d add some random thoughts and maybe those of us out there who are in sales/marketing/business dev/good connections etc
should chime in as well (i did not read this thread in detail, so if all of this has been discussed my apologies)

      - regional events sponsored by a regional company, maybe a bank that pushes "traditional banking" 
      - series of events sponsered by a company that caters to a more "senior crowd".  I know that no one wants this to be an
        old timer event, but every old timer out there played with old gear...for most of their lives...and they may enjoy watch people playing it.
      - barnstorming events where the tops guys go around and play local hot shots old gear vs. new gear- where's titanic thompson when you need em?
      - approach golf companies like scratch golf or whover would like to push blades/traditional equipment, maybe someone who sells plus fours :smiley: 
      - someone mentioned the retro theme earlier, maybe find other retro/flashback events going on, old car shows/races.

and so on and so on. i’m sure once a couple of succesful events happen with good press, opportunities will arise, but it never hurts to be proactive.

I’m not sure I’m thrilled with a retro theme or an old timers tour…

Is baseball a retro game? Football? Basketball? Cricket? These games are games that just stayed true to a wooden bat, leather ball, and kept the size of the field the same. Golf REALLY did something weird comparatively in the last 20 years.
It’s not a better game now. it’s much less interesting, doesn’t make sense anymore because the courses are not fitting the gear.

If there is one game that should have stayed more grounded in tradition it should have been golf… because it is older than the other games… with all the history of St Andrews and the Scots…

Really bad things have happened to golf. It’s not right what has happened if you simply look at the game itself… and forget for a second the business side of the game.

I simply don’t believe that golf was invented for the purpose of isolating a desirable marketing demographic.

The job of the USGA was to be the custodians of the game… to uphold it’s values, and keep technology from ruining the game.

Witness the hypocrisy here… it’s really unbelievable to look back at this in retrospect:

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While I agree a one off event is not necessarily sustainable, it’s not necessarily a loss either. 60 guys paying $375 to shoot for $10K winner’s check is not going to lose a dime.

How many mini tour events have shot at getting an article in Golf World?

NONE!!

In mini tour events… guys are just playing for their own money with an organizer pocketing 10 to 15 percent of the purse each week. The organizer ends up the leading money winner in most cases.

What this has going for it is FREE publicity… I am getting media guys emailing me about this all the time… and I keep having to put off the event…

There is a lot for the press to right about here.

I find it hard to believe that women’s professional softball exits… and a Men’s persimmon golf tour doesn’t.

I agree that finding a company that bases it’s business on doing things the old fashion way or a traditional way… maybe a financial company that is more conservative in it’s investing… or maybe a lumber company to focus on the wood aspect of the game.

It just doesn’t have to be about selling clubs… any more than going to the symphony has to be about selling viola’s and cellos.

i briefly caught some of Tad Moore’s interview this morning on the golf channel on xm radio. he was discussing his hickory events, it seems
they have a couple of showcase events and then offer to help put on/organize events for those interested.

at one point he said to the effect of …i really enjoy playing old equipment as i feel it is a much better game that the current version of golf…

I know the concept of an “angel investor” might seem like a pipe dream… but I couldn’t resist the possible reality of such a thing happening after watching “Anderson Cooper” interviewing a lady that decided to sponsor all the legal fees (well over $100K) to try to help out the self confessed Joran van der Sloot who apparently killed Natalee Holloway.

Anyway, she had never met or knew anyone from any of the families involved, just saw it on the news and felt sorry for the killer who was being held in a Peruvian jail, and decided to act as his guardian angel… and put up huge financial support for his legal fees and so on.

As wacky as this seems, I just had to think there must be someone out there that could feel some kind of sympathy for the game of golf and offer up some kind of help for something that might be more of a noble cause?

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Whatever her motivations might be…
I would think it quite possible that there is some kind of golf purist angel that would just need to see a well put together plan of action or proposal to get a game that is loved by so many, back on track as a game itself, and not only looked upon as another way to exploit golf from a business standpoint revolving around equipment, but to do something historic and significant.

Here’s a thought for your consideration, and I have not yet made it through all the prior posts in this thread.

Focus on the pro am aspects.

The sweet spot audience for growing this great idea out to the higher end classics clubs is going to be the internet golf forum aware executive in the mid 40s-60’s age range.

The vast majority of these guys are not going to be competitive with the pros in any kind of big money event… But if you put on some clinics and lessons, and have a pro am tournament, with a separate amateur division they will get more than the value for the entry fee, and that entry fee could go even higher to support the pro money.

This is pretty much what we have been doing with the TRGA events.

NEW ARTICLE: Dated Jan 19 2012

[size=150]If I Were Commissioner For A Day[/size]

By BRANDEL CHAMBLEE

[i]If I found myself in control of the PGA Tour for one day and had usurped all power from my board I would rage against selfish desires, like extending a lifelong Tour card to a broken down Tour pro who now just rants on about all things golf. Perhaps, lining the 17th green at the TPC Sawgrass with enough dynamite to blow up the Hindu Kush and setting the timer to coincide with me Skyping Pete Dye. I think I could get both of those done before lunch and still find time to hop on the Tour jet and meet Jack Nicklaus for a round of golf at Seminole, to discuss Tour business, of course.

With deference to the historian Lord Acton, who said that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, I would, however, resist such childish thoughts and fight to do some lasting good with the 24 hours as commissioner; although, one could still argue for the dynamite.

Two things have hurt the game and will continue to do so. Technology and slow play are related in that as technology has given all Tour players the ability to hit tee shots into tomorrow, courses have been stretched out and the game has become a dragged-out affair. Five- and 6-hour rounds can’t attract a new audience in a generation filled with short attention spans. One solution would lead to growth in the game, I am convinced, and simultaneously make it more interesting for Tour players and those consigned to dark corners and bad coffee whose job it is to describe the action.

The word people use to describe what I am going to suggest is bifurcation, which sounds to me like a word used to make palatable that which tends to smell. Perhaps, that’s appropriate, because when bringing up the idea of two sets of rules, most look like they have smelled something offensive. Ironically the very ones who are offended the most are the ones who talk about growing the game most fervently.

Football, basketball and baseball all have different rules that separate professional and amateur competitions, and while arguments as to why may be circular, the sports have not suffered from this separation. Golf would benefit in many ways from a similar partition between the professional and amateur ranks. The long putter, which offers a great respite from putting woes and bad backs to many amateurs, has no place in professional sports. Its use, understandable in club golf, is corruptive at the professional level as it allows one to predetermine the path of the putter.

Drivers and golf balls could be scaled back on the Tour, which would allow holes to return to nostalgic lengths and records to be viewed more accurately. Amateurs could have access to bigger heads, thinner faces, longer shafts and hotter golf balls, which would allow them to at least feel some closing of the ever-widening gap between professionals and recreational golfers.

Shorter holes would mean faster rounds and cheaper golf and with the new equipment that amateurs would be able to use they just might have as much fun as I would blowing up the 17th hole at the TPC.[/i]

My respect for Brandel just went way up. It’s easy to call for bifurcation but hard to do it when you’re getting a paycheck from the establishment. He lays out his points eloquently. Cheers to Brandel.

I have a hunch Brandel has come across some of the writings Bradley and I have spread out across the web. It’s all too eerily familiar.
Baby steps sure, but each step whether at a grass roots level or progress being made toward the other end of professional golf is all important. We all can make a difference with our actions.

Anyone here interested in doing some interviews for the Persimmon Golf Today site? Have Skype? a strong confident voice who can articulate the pillars of principal of traditional golf?

I jumped on facebook, did a bit of networking and have a lot of contacts on there with pro persimmon players who excelled in that era. I think it would be a big boost to the site that Riley is doing such a good job with. I could easily set up a long line of interviews for someone with a bit of motivation in this area.

Ya it would be great if someone could assist with some interviews. The few that I’ve done have just been text based Q&A’s, mainly for time purposes but if anyone could coordinate some more in depth interviews with Lag it would be a nice bonus for the site and for the cause.

I have been thinking about doing some face to face interviews to post on here. I’m a half hour from Scottsdale, and I’m sure there are guys that live near me that would be great for an interview. I was out at TPC Scottsdale today and wednesday caddying in the Pro-Ams, and I am sure there would be some potential for interviews out there too.

Is the TRGA event in Las Vegas now officially lined up and ready to go? I know we were waiting for confirmation on the prize money from the benefactor… I’m interested in planning the trip and promoting it on PGT but need to know if the dates and prize money are still tentative or set in stone.

Also, what are the thoughts on the tournament ball? It would be nice to start practicing a little bit with the ball prior to the event.

I know it’s a lot of work for coordinating something this big…keep up the good work!

I was just about to post that I couldn’t make it on the scheduled dates but I went to the website and it appears to have been moved to late April.

Looks like we are going to have to move the dates up a week or two to accommodate Vic Wilk’s teaching schedule with Butch Harmon. Apparently Butch has Vic doing some school out of state that week. The whole ordeal has been a learning experience, but we will have the event one way or another.

Any update on this event? Is April 22 firm? Do we know what the tournament ball will be? Has the prize money been made official?

What about thinking outside of “golf specific” sponsors. Maybe 84 Lumber? They sponsored John Daly at one time. Lumber is wood and the Persimmon Tour is promoting wood clubs…could make marketing easier? Just a thought.