I think that may be John Cook? Hard to tell on my end. I get the impression that in the right picture of him the spine angle and weight movement is what is being looked at?
It reminds me a little of the hammer throwers that I mentioned over in the other thread. Hammer throwers do not want to bend forward at all coming down into the zone. Their spine angle is straightening to assist with countering the outward pull of the hammer ball by pulling it inward with the upper body.
Almost like deep sea fishing while sitting in a chair. When Moby Dick grabs the line and runs away from the boat, the person in the chair braces the feet on the chair pads down low, then pulls mightily backwards straightening the spine.
Like I mentioned on the other thread…I’m going to check this out more about losing spine angle…I like it and the possibilites it presents.
Commentators were talking about this concept while Peter Senior was in the hunt again at the US Senior Open, and again acknowledging him as one of the premier ball strikers out there.
Played around today a lot with the spine angle and was kinda surprised I guess. Found a video of Senior in which the spine, with some pelvic assistance, is most certainly straightening with concurrent shoulder participation. I think Senior is maybe starting that release a little earlier than I was doing since his R elbow is a little more behind the hip than mine is, so I was feeling that release happen after contact with the ball.
Felt a little reverse Cish only at times, but not drastic, but one thing I did notice is how the right foot responds to this move if that release happens after contact versus prior to. However, since I was feeling it happening after contact, it was probably going on before contact like Senior does, I just wasn’t able to really sense it fully until after contact.
The right foot, unlike Seniors action, was doing that Hogan toe scratch dance…I think for the first time really. And the R foot going forward was being felt as an oppositional force to the spine being more vertical and behind the center line axis, or pelvic area a touch during the release part. Good results…missle like.
I tell 'ya one thing…Senior just went to #2 on my great ball stiker list.
Anyone ever feel like in full action the intention is to “roll” the ball over the ground and how level shoulder rotation would be required to do that, and thereby letting the real loft of the club due its thing?
Sort of like in putting along with the accolade: he can really roll his rock.
Whoa…don’t know the correct terminology, if it’s called spinal straightening, or pelvic assisted spinal straightenting, but the bent right arm must have something to do with it in a related sense…just haven’t comes to terms with what is assisting what in releasing in a technical sense but…
…was able to keep a bent R arm way past contact and leftward until it almost feels like the spine and pelvis work in concert to release the R arm. Don’t know if that is technically what’s happening, but the pressure through the ball was most evident.
Funny how long the R arm can remain bent with a tight elbow throught the zone. It really is a rip UP the plane!
For some reason the level turn of the shoulders through the zone- having a feeling of getting level left ( especially with the L shoulder ) and way behind me has this ratcheting association and feel between the shoulders, cupped left wrist, and the right arm, hand and forearm.
The hard and behind level movement of the L shoulder is what pops the cupped left wrist to the bowed position. Don’t have to worry about the cup …the level and hard left shoulder movement takes care of it.
Tried to find a logo that would capture the feel from an eagle eye view but closest I could find was ZZ Top, which really doesn’t work that well as an image. I’ll find one though as that feel is quite unique and I have seen that position orientation somewhere before but I just can’t put my finger on it right now.
Don’t know if RATcheting is the correct term here…but it works for me.
Searched for some ratchet logos that capture that feel but without luck so far. However, did find this on my search which will hopefully be on my Santa list. No more Arnold Palmer hitching the trousers routine. Sorry Arnie
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More feelings and thoughts from a great day.
For some reason the level turn of the shoulders through the zone- having a feeling of getting level left ( especially with the L shoulder ) and way behind me…
Me too. I was imagining standing on Robbo’s ranch in Texas…transitioning to be able to take out Lag’s deck…and then at the last moment made my way over to Baja, California instead. Flushed the snot out of it…snot bubbles!
Working on some force/action thoughts here… CP vs. CF during the downswing- though the circle’s direction changes considerably from the slot(frame 3) into and through the strike…
I especially like “in the journey of the circle” as both that and Sergio’s really capture how low the hands really need to get and feel among other things, but the last picture of Hogan for me shows where everything rips loose to pick that orb off the planet. It’s scary sometimes to trust free riding down so low to a point that seems like there is no place else to go…but perhaps the subconscious says…"ok, the only thing left is to pivot and rip like a screamin’ maniac. Much better that way than early hand velocity I reckon.
One of the feels I play with concerns a laid-off shaft and the 4:30 line. From an aerial perspective, or birds eye view, they cross each other and form an “X”, or a cross so to speak when set at the top. Since the club is in back of me ( South ), I drop the Southern Cross to the slot and hope and trust that I am patient enough to get that low with the hands before really gettin’ the old tailbone to work overtime.
Had one of those “laughing to myself” days playing around with some images and feels.
Started to think about mouse traps, the spring load and the angles created under pressure ready to snap. Kind of difficult to put into words so a couple pictures may do. Was sensing the spine angle, the thigh angle, and hips sort of being like a mouse trap. The head of the club is a mouse
The mouse leaves the trap on the backmove looking for something, can’t find it, and wants to return to the jaws of the trap because that’s where the cheese is…except the trap keeps moving left and the mouse can never catch up to it. But the trap angles dissapate on the other side, and the mouse. tired of chasing the jaws of the trap, finally gives up.
Started with this:
My noggin sensed this:
That last picture of Sergio shows the trap pretty well with the mouse trying to enter, but subsequent pictures may show the pivot moves the trap leftward while the mouse still goes like hell to get the cheese inside the trap, but never quite gets there.
