above are the ebay auction pics, and show what I bought. I chose these, because they are a pair, and still had the factory installed #1 Pro-pel shafts. Starting on the 1wood, and following the @lagpressure pdf on the procedure…
Im interested to hear back about the launch and shot shape and if you have to do anything extra with the hands wrist and forearms to get a consistent shot shape at that weight and lie angle. Seems like most of the guys are hitting extremely low bullets that leak to the right so I’m definitely following this post to hear about your on course results.
16.8 ounces is enormously heavy, let us know how that goes!
One thing I’ve not seen discussed too much here is the importance of the bore angle in the other dimension. If you angle the bore closer to the face than the original, it will effectively deloft or open the face depending how you grip it. If you angle the bore more to the back of the head it has the opposite effect.
1000% agree.Your point came into focus after I redrilled the shaft bore. I’m excited because it appears I got it just right redrilling the 2w. Will post more pics when I get the neck fully dressed.
Yeah, 16.8oz My 16.0oz 1iron now feels light…
Also, if I find the shaft angle isn’t right, too much/little loft, too heavy for me, I’ll disassemble the club and rebuild it. If that’s not right, I’ll do it again… and again.
The black ink dot i placed on the sole was my “mark” when redrilling. When I reset the shaft, and checked the lie angle, it was nearly a perfect 51*. Drilling by hand, it was helpful to keep my left index finger on that dot as a reference.
After a few decisions and tinkering, I’ve got 3 woods ready to go.
Club
Length
Weight
Lie°
Loft°
1W(Mac.Tourney DX1W)
43.5"
16.0oz
48°
9°
2W(Mac.Tourney DX1W)
43.0"
15.0oz
49°
13.5°
4W(Mac.Armour SS1W)
42.0"
14.6oz
51°
16°
After removing a tungsten slug, the 1W rests at an even 16.0oz. Once I made up my mind about lie angles, I reset the 2W shaft and added weight to get the specs listed above. I’ve only reset the lie and shaft length of the 4W, weight can be added later. 1&2W’s have their factory Tourney Action#1 shafts, and the 4W has its stock Pro-Pel #1 shaft, all tipped 5”.
For the whipping, I found size T210 bonded thread used for leather sewing. While the DX woods weren’t my first choice for an Armour themed set, I’ve grown to love their look. Their finish was thin and worn in places, so I applied and cured several coats of Tru-Oil. I’ve had some success with that product on solid-body guitars, and like its matte finish. Figured it couldn’t hurt and would try it over a poly dunk. The next update will be a full post-range debrief with video, hopefully soon.
(P.S. while uploading these pictures, I realized I neglected to mention the 1W sole-plate screw botch-job. here are some answers to some questions I would be asking myself after seeing said botch-job… I should have removed that screw before redrilling. yes, I intend to reuse the original hole once I can source an appropriate screw. yes, I wish I hadn’t learned this lesson, on this club. now, i think of it as “custom” )
Clubs are designed with decreasing weights as the clubs get longer. Doing the reverse will result in very unusual swing weights or MOI of the total club. Meaning the clubs will have inconsistent heft or feel to them and you’ll have different impact patterns and ball flights.
I don’t know if John intentionally has a reverse progression in the woods or is it’s simply a typo/mistake. I would bet the latter but he would need to clarify.
I think the ABS specs differ from how you are accustomed to seeing it because swing weight is not accounted for. John and I have had conversations about this. In the hitters protocol swingweight is considered not important due to the concept of holding shaft flex. From what I understand swingweight is what swingers depends on for timing etc. But with hitters timing is not as important due to holding shaft flex. I’m still trying to wrap my head around this part of ABS. I personally think about swingweight as an old fashioned television antenna. You have the rabbit ears to get the channel but you have the dial on the base where you can click in the channel and fine tune it. That’s what SW is for me it’s dialing in that feel and fine tuning it.
It’s a bad spec sheet. I realize John doesn’t care about SW, but there’s no logical reason to make a 3w heavier than a 4w when it’s a longer club. In the amount of stuff I’ve read on this site I’ve never seen John promote a wood of any kind < 14 oz dead weight. So that’s a flag already that something clerical went awry.
This is from 2025 only a 2 gram difference and the 3 wood is 2 grams heavier than the 4 wood so somehow a clerical errow happened along the way or a simple misread on the builder side when doing the build.
1 iron length 40/40.5 Dead Weights 14.8/ 15.5 Loft 13 Lie Angle 52/54 X Shafts
2 iron length 39/39.5 Dead Weights 15/15.7 Loft 16 Lie Angle 52/54 X Shafts
3 iron length 38.5/39 Dead Weights 15.2/15.9 Loft 20 Lie Angle 53/55 X Shafts
4 iron length 38/38.5 Dead Weights 15.4/16.1 Loft 24 Lie Angle 54/56 X Shafts
5 iron length 37.5/38 Dead Weights 15.6/16.3 Loft 28 Lie Angle 555/57 X Shafts
6 iron length 37/37.5 Dead Weights 15.8/16.5 Loft 32 Lie Angle 56/58 X Shafts
7 iron length 36.5/37 Dead Weights 16.0/16.7 Loft 36 Lie Angle 56/58 X Shafts
8 iron length 36/36.5 Dead Weights 16.2/16.9 Loft 40 Lie Angle 57/59 X Shafts
9 iron length 35.5/36 Dead Weights 16.4/17.1 Loft 44 Lie Angle 57/59 X Shafts
10 iron length 35.3/35.8 Dead Weights 17/17.7 Loft 48 Lie Angle 58/60 X Shafts
Gap iron length 35.3/35.8 Dead Weights 17.5/18.2 Loft 52 Lie Angle 58/60 X Shafts
SW iron length 35.3/35.8 Dead Weights 18/18.7 Loft 56 Lie Angle 66/68 X Shafts
Driver length 43.5/44 Dead Weights 14/15/16 Loft 8/10 Lie Angle 48/50 X Shafts
2 Wood length 43.5/44 Dead Weights 13.8/14.8 Loft 11/13 Lie Angle 49/51 X Shafts
3 Wood length 42.7/43.2 Dead Weights 13.6/14.6 Loft 13/15 Lie Angle 50/52 X Shafts
4 Wood length 42/42/5 Dead Weights 13.4/14.4 Loft 15/17 Lie Angle 51/53 X Shafts
You make a very good point. I figured since those numbers were repeated and pinned, they were solid. Perhaps the guru himself will weigh in on this. My 4w, being only lengthened and tipped, is the lightest club in my bag by 0.4oz, the next being the 2w @ 15.0
I can share practice tee feedback…
4w feels like a toy to me and is very easy to hit hard and straight. 2w is difficult for me to hit solid off the deck, but a very low, left to right, chasing shot seems useful. 2w off a tee is easier, and very satisfying to watch. Higher, flatter trajectory than the 4w, with a gentle cut. Knowing it’s going to be even more difficult, I haven’t tried hitting my driver yet. Though ABS protocols and this gear setup is completely new to me, I’m excited and inspired by the success I’m already seeing.
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