Away from bloody idiots I would add… 
is there anyone out there from naples fla?
maybe we can help each other out?
gabe193
I would like to look into purchasing Hogan irons from days gone by. Which would you recommend for an ABS student?
This sort of attitude really pisses me off.
There are a lot of nice and helpful people on ISG and if it wasn’t for that site Lag would never have been talking about G.O.L.F. again.
It irritates me so much the superior attitude some of the users on this site are not taking in regards to decent people on ISG.
Pip, I am one of the ‘bloody idiots’ that still posts regularly on ISG, perhaps I am not welcome here. 
Any Hogans are great…personally I would look at anything prior to the early 90’s however–these models were designed more along Ben Hogan’s own standards before other designers took over
Stylsie - I am sure Pip is a big boy and can defend himself but I didn’t read his post as an attack on all ISG forum users/posters. I don’t know if you read the thread that led to Mike Clayton speaking out, but if you did it would be hard to disagree with Pips description at least as it applies to a couple of individuals. But thats all it was I think - relevant to a couple of individuals. Anyway this is Bradleys thread and I prob shouldn’t clog it up with this sort of stuff. Hope the weather in NI is improving quicker than here.
Cheers,
Arnie
a big fat blunt is burning…take a medium hit…ahhhhhhhhh and chill…
after a week of drillling 1module i played a round of golf yesterday, and my right elbow is very sore, what did i do wrong?
gabe193
gabe, is your elbow sore from the drilling or the round of golf? I’d say that after 1 week of drilling, it won’t have a significant impact on your swing.
Gabe,
I would go post this question in the module 1 section… you can even make your new topic or add it to another topic that holds relevance to your question…There will be more interaction with the subject in those module sections…I think you are not alone with this…maybe it means you were doing something right 
and that part of the body has or has not adjusted to it yet…the students who have progressed through can tell you more about it and I think there is actually talk about what you state somewhere
My guess is…the drill teaches you to save a bit of right arm…in other words to keep it slightly bent and packed in closer to your body…it teaches you get an inside hit into the 4.30 mark on the ball…it teaches you accelerate near the ball after the vertical drop at the P3 position…it teaches you to start getting some pivot rotation directly near impact…and to beat into a bag to continue motion- not to stop it.
I would suggest that the drills had started to kick in and then when you played out on the course some of the old form crept back in…so the ligaments are practicing one way and then getting stretched another way…like a big spring and you could feel some pressure… I could be totally wrong and it could be a number of things (like is your drill bag heavy but soft…etc etc) but it may give some insight…the students perspective is best on this one as they worked this drill really hard from go to woe and some would have made a journal of their reps- their feelings- any injuries and so on…and can give you some nice insight based on their experiences
Best thing to do is send the mod1 video to Lag…let him make sure you are doing it correctly as he would like it seen to be done or even if you want post it in the mod 1 section and let past/present students of module 1 give you some insight too… we all end up on the same page here because the sensations of the drills are similar to just about everyone… so students who have done it tend to have a good grasp on most questions you would ask… Lag is the ‘Dali Lama’ of it all and vids should be sent to him around every 2 weeks for this module for correction, viewing, counseling or congratulations!
Hey Styles, I don’t think Pipp was calling eveyone on ISG an idiot. I believe he still posts there from time to time as do I. You’ve got to admit there have been a few crazy things going on over there of late…thru no fault of decent and like minded members I might add.
TM, sorry to highjack your thread but if you allow me I’ll just explain to Style what I meant with that post. If you think this should be posted somewhere else please feel free to delete it.
Style, I apologise I didn’t reply earlier, I’ve been told only 5 minutes ago about your post.
I’m sorry you felt included in my post, I surely wasn’t thinking of people like yourself and the great majority of posters there. I play weekly with some of them and I wouldn’t call them idiots behind their back. I still quite regularly post as ISG although I’m very disillusioned with “admin”'s way of running things.
What I was thinking about was indeed that thread about Clayton’s designs where people that have got no idea whatsoever were saying that his work is sh.te and the like. It’s not the first time that some of those ignorant individuals rubbish people’s name and reputation, sometimes going as far as slandering some (just look at what they said about Ewan Porter sniffing cocaine). These are the IDIOTS I was referring about and that I’m quite sure will never come here. And for that I am very grateful to Lag for creating such a protected environment where we can all learn and discuss golf related matters.
Peace.
P.S. Thanks Arnie and Anthgolf for reading my mind. 
Hi Bradley,
Over the years I have been plagued with the occassional fat shot. Anything you do to make sure you hit the ball first and ground second? Your guidance is appreciated.
littlealm…That will be gone soon enough
Most fat and thin shots , if not all, come from being too steep in the downswing with the club and it’s approach…the hands and arms tend to work more than the body… the body slows down … the hands/arms take over and it just ends up slapping into the ball with the ground getting in the way first many times
If you have started module1 and are working on that- you are on the road to recovery…that starts to take care of all the things mentioned above to make you feel shallower into impact (4.30 line), with some body tilt (bowing to the 4.30 line) and aggressive body work into the impact area by the intention of holding flex and waiting…waiting…waiting before we power the ball (or bag in this instance)
I bet there are other students who may have had that fat problem before they started moduling-- I would make a pretty good bet that all are pretty much cured of that shot as they move farther and farther thru the modules
Thanks so much. That gives me hope!
heh Bradley, you’re out from the pin about your full swing SW distance. Are you using it or going easy on a PW or 9? Assuming no wind, open pin etc…
Depends how I am playing and my feel… I always felt that when I got to that yardage area…most of the time…I would rather play a controlled wedge with a shorter swing…that way I could control the spin and the way the ball reacted once it hit the green much better than hitting a flat out sand iron that could spin it’s brain off and end up miles away from the hole…with the more controlled wedge I knew I could get the ball to land just short of the correct length, take one bounce, take maybe one more tiny bounce and then just spin on its axis in place right where I wanted it. Hitting a flat out sand iron the ball could sometimes spin backwards 10 feet, 15 feet, 20 feet…going by the quality of pinch of the hit…and you would have no control.
That’s where many go wrong today…especially with drivers —everyone is too concerned with the what the ball does while it is in the air…launch angle/carry/spin rate…we all used to worry about what the ball did when it was on the ground ALSO which I think gave players more control and understanding, more options and a better quality of golf
Ok, see I’m trying to understand how the better players keep these 100m shots down. I’m a low ball hitter throughout the set but if I’m hitting the 56 wedge with about 90% max effort, the thing launches up still way too high. It feels so uncontrollable to the ‘underarm toss’ I see better players do. Wondering if it was less club or an off back foot, hands forward sort of thing. Cheers.
bradley: is module # 1 supposed to develop power?
being your “normal” golfer when i play . module # 1 ceeps into my swing , and there seems to be a lack of power?
gabe193
Module 1 starts to develop everything…it is the starting point and called ‘1’ for important reasons… just remember there are no ‘quick fixes’ in the golf swing…module 1 sets you up for 2 which sets you up for 3 and so on…you may get to module 3 and all of a sudden get a direct thump to the brain by yourself for understanding what came before that ultimately led to the point you are now at…it all moves seamlessly and with reason.
Even when the pros on TV say…‘Well I got this tip and it made me do such and such and it turned my game around…’…blah, blah… you have to remember these guys have been preparing themselves to play high level golf for years and years…practicing day in and day out with little else in mind…the one little tip wasn’t a magic cure…it was the years of training that did it…and the one tip they thought of or received just more than likely triggered their brain into a different mindset and they were free to loosen up and play well again…it probably had little to actually do with their mechanics…as mechanics take time to be altered…you can’t just flip a switch and hey presto it is cured.
That’s why people should never take lessons from a pro and believe they will get one magic tip in 30 minutes that will alter their golfing lives for ever…can’t happen in 30 minutes…probably won’t happen even in a full day or even a week …aesthetics of the swing are great to look at…but pretty much pointless in golf. Like the candy (chocolate) or cookie (bikkie!!) on the shelf that looks awesome and you bite into it and realize it tastes like crap…what you see on the outside can be something totally different on the inside…What you learn at ABS is forces, internal, external, fighting and resisting…it all works…it is all truths…
What the modules teach are the ingredients that ALL the great ball strikers over time have used…the good news for you students is that instead of searching, hoping, praying and band aiding your swing each week with something new that hopelessly falls apart a few days later…you are training your body and your mind what it indeed is meant to be doing–then over time once the work is done and processed you will be free to go play great golf with a clear mind and a body that reacts to just doing what it has been told to do- there will be no more internal fighting
You will feel things you probably have never felt before with the swing and that’s good— Ben Hogan said “Reverse every natural instinct you have and you will probably come close to having a good golf swing”… that pretty much sums it up that quote right there