Reading the recent posts of aiguille and NRG about their experience smooths the forward path as I have encountered similar experience recently and strive to work with what it is. Lots of work to do yet!
Thanks for posting the valuable clues.
I swear I was just thinking about this thread this morning, and lo and behold…
I’m puzzled by how the shell grows, and at the same time, how it seems to be moving. It obviously grows from in to out, yet, to my eye at least, it’s got a strong inward looking energy. That’s how I’d see it in this image I put together during my golf acid phase… or was it peyote? You never can tell. I jest.
I like the levels that were mentioned re: Trevino, because where the club is is vital to the whole thing. You can’t just get all airy fairy with the image. The thing that I’ve found is that ‘in/back’ and ‘out/down’ feeling in the hands, actually creates the opposite with the club head- this being a good thing. I remember talking about that a long time ago. But, obviously, what you do actively from the p3 area makes all the difference. DeVicenzo, and a lot of the old swings worked like that. In my thinking, this is due to the earlier influence of the hip/leg/feet motion in the backswing, and swing in general- it created more of a dragging around of the club.
Hope it was peyote Bom…more natural, less taxing on the body, and makes every blade of grass seem like an seem like a beautiful obstacle just waiting for a chance to have an encounter…not that I would know. 
In the preceding video there is a statement to the effect that the “exact” Fibonacci spiral (Golden Ratio) appears in the video’s examples of the natural world.
The Fibonacci sequence or Golden Spiral is often said to appear exactly in the natural world. But if life is less than tidy, then for the sake of factual accuracy, using the word “exact” deserves attention.
As shown previously in this thread, here is info about “The Myth of the Nautilus Shell”, explaining why the nautilus shell is not a Fibonacci Spiral:
emis.library.cornell.edu/journal … -pt04.html
And more info about the Fibonacci sequence, Golden Ratio, and other spirals:
emis.library.cornell.edu/journal … intro.html
emis.library.cornell.edu/journal … _v4n1.html
Just an observation from the land of watering grass tee lines.
Some sprinklers are mounted on tripods, or other like devices, then have to be manually moved to a new location often while the sprinkler is still whirling away. Once set at the new location, the operator at that time is generally standing right next to the tripod, or the center of the circle formed by the water coverage area. In order to remain dry while determining if the new location overlaps the old coverage area appropriately, we can stay tightly near the center and keep moving away from the approaching arc of water circling around us- walking around in the tight circle while looking at the new coverage area.
Once we determine the new coverage area is appropriate, it is time to walk away from the sprinkler coverage area and on to other more strenuous range duties….like drinking lemonade with vodka!
How do we walk away without getting wet? Assuming a very rapid rate of travel coming from the spraying water, if we start at point X and walk on that tangent line away from the approaching water, there is a good chance the water will get our ass wet before we have time to exit the water coverage area. However, if we walk the way indicated, we borrow time and space against the circle- working away and ahead of the water arc.
Reminds me of cutting it left in many ways, with the spray of water being the shaft and how we are ahead of it, but working inward from it.
When I was putting this diagram together, I thought of you Teebox instantly as you can see a little box ( I drew some dotted lines to illustrate the box in the mind’s eye ) and the beginning of a Fibonacci. 
Looks like your escape plan should help you keep your smokes dry RR.
Funny how life’s little priorities lead to greater understanding. 
For my nickel it seems RR’s diagram and discussion could be showing us an obscured clue how a hitter’s post impact intentions contribute to club head acceleration through impact. That’s just my dim hunch and it may miss RR’s objective entirely. If I was a physics and biomechanics guru I would try to find some clean way to demonstrate the clue here. Instead, would someone jump in here to light the way? Until then the loaded spiral spring in a classic rat trap works well enough for me.
Way beyond my paygrade to draw any conclusions about the observation I had Teebox, but it is an interesting question that I have been contemplating since your last post.
The only thing I can come up with that halfway makes sense to me is that anytime there is slack in a swing motion, there will also be an absence of something aligned with spirals, or something similar in numerical nature, that could be measured, or observed. Perhaps, all areas of motion in which opposing forces are at their greatest would also be those moments in which it would be easier to somehow calculate that indeed a sequence has occurred that has been around for centuries…no, forever.
Good question, Teebox.
A sampling of one experts spiraling plane segments carving efficiently and powerfully through space…
This was in the paper today and it reminded me of !T and this thread…
I have been unjustifiably fortunate to see one of my granddaughters grow from wobbly toddler into a fine ballet and jazz dancer, an athlete in both disciplines, seeking masterery of spirals and opposing forces and mastery of her self in the performance zone, just as any other athlete does whether powered by testosterone or motivated by something more, eager for challenges and ventures into the unknown. Whether it’s countries, cultures, toddlers, teens, adults in midlife, or frail seniors trying to get down the hall one more time under their own power, the whole dedicated athletic learning process inspires awe, renewal, and respect wherever I see it and it never gets old. The first post of this topic asked why seeing a good golf swing appeals to many of us. As far as I have seen here, the spirals are part of it at least, but there’s a spirit about it too that doesn’t like to be nailed down by words. Pictures often do better, as your picture does, BOM.
John,
Lots of golden spirals in that Mars picture. Interesting.
!T, I owe you more than a post at this point, but apparently I’m not very good at that these days. Your thread has opened my mind in ways I never imagined, brilliant. I suppose it all comes down to some sort of challenge between CF and CP, even if we don’t realize it. That photo exposes the creation of CF that the intent of CP produces, they’re always intertwined as the same thing, it’s just perspective ultimately. The more the CP, the More the CF. Containing CF involves the creation of extra CP intent. This, in my opinion, creates more CF, etc., etc,… Perspective, as always, is important.
Cheers…
B
Saw interesting spirals the other day I don’t think I ever notice before.
I was sitting watching a local PGA guy practicing and usually we look at the usual things like moves, ball flight, feet work, tempo, etc.
I happened to sitting in a chair about on a 45 degree angle to him from behind him, like a 45 degree angle caddy view from him. That was hard to describe, so if he was facing due North and the landing area was out West, I was sitting looking at him from due Northeast. That’s more better.
My attention was diverted at times, and this one time after being diverted when I looked back I caught just the quickest glimpse of only his downswing arc and the parabolic travel of the ball. Pretty interesting to see, one connected spiraly thing if you can imagine what that would look like. It was like the backswing arc, and follow thru arc were irrelevant…the only real connection with harmony was the downswing arc and the resulting parabola. Like two disconnected pieces, although they probably really aren’t, showing their true relationship.
Bom said, “1T, I owe you more than a post at this point,…”
No worries Bom. It has been my good fortune to continue exploring and learning from insight you and everyone already contributed.
Little bit of a look at a spiral into impact- Robert Allenby
The image of Robert Allenby is strong and revealing. It explores what we are striving to understand, and it stays in mind very well. If a picture is worth 10,000 words, this video is more, to me at least. I am grateful to you for your work and for posting it Two.