I can honestly say, the slower I swing, the more patience i have in transition…the more “sling” i feel post impact. Its like the ball is glued to the face.
When i swing super light modern gear, i have no chance of doing this, just not enough mass to hold the load “around the corner”…just fyi. Your longitude forces combined with CF.
It just so happens, you naturally swing slower with heavier gear. When you hit the corner the mass holds and the shaft doesnt buck. Its much smoother delivery of power!
Its so.much fun i tend to only drill with vi tage gear and play with modern stuff. I keep a 1i, murfield that Lag ABSd, in my bag. If my swing is off, 2 or three rips off it and im
The club is rotating so fast that the hands cannot keep up and therefore ends up applying a negative torque on the grip (I’ve already mentioned this a few times in previous posts).
Like watching your swing young man.And maybe one day we can all meet up and have an old school equipment fun round sharing ideas and stories.I’m slowly getting back into the (hit) of things.After 5-6 years of barely no golf or even thoughts of it.
Your attitude is very similar to mine.Practice drilling with the old stuff heavy gear.Play with the current stuff.If I can make one suggestion to really feel what a heavy shaft load will feel like.Try using your old gear with a baseball bat donut or two down by the hosel of the club.It’s actually quite amazing the natural old school positions one can get in just trying to move that club around.A club with those donuts on the bottom will force you to orbit pull it in.you can really feel the forces of how it wants to go away from you and flip over.A great training tool really to build up those golf forearms
Reminds me of the smartest kid in the class. With zero athletic ability. Always sitting in the stands mad. While the ones who can are out doing it. It’s just how life is. Why they had band camp
If you look at the sequence of images posted by Sawfeat above, he is claiming that shaft flex can be maintained throughout the downswing by simply altering the direction of the hand pulling force during the evolution of the downswing. However, if you look at those images there is no change in the degree of lead wrist uncocking throughout the entire downswing. The “real life” reality is that the lead wrist uncocks RAPIDLY during the later downswing due to the fact that the clubhead end of the club is traveling faster than the lead hand (from an angular rotational perspective) and that scenario is incompatible with “holding shaft flex”.
Here is John Erickson’s “real life” golf swing action.
Between P5.5 (image 2) and P6.3 (image 3) the lead wrist is RAPIDLY uncocking due to the fact that the clubhead end of the club is traveling faster than the club handle end of the club (from an angular rotational perspective) and that is incompatible with a “holding shaft flex” scenario.
Between P7 (image 4) and P7.4 (image 5) the lead wrist is RAPIDLY extending due to the fact that the clubhead end of the club is traveling faster than the club handle end of the club (from an angular rotational perspective) and that is incompatible with a “holding shaft flex” scenario.
The ‘In Plane Net Force’ varies in both magnitude and direction (see below). The black arrows show the ‘In Plane Net Force’ across the ‘mid-hand-point’, while the yellow dot is the COM of the club.
If you look at the black dotted lines which are an extension of the tails of the ‘In Plane Net Force’ vector you can see its relationship to the COM. So in the early downswing the club will experience a torque in the direction of the green rotation arrows (which will tend to try and align the COM with the tail ends of ‘In Plane Net Force’ vector’ (ie. try to retain the lag angle between the club and the lead arm). At around the ‘*’ position , the force direction changes so that the tail end is front of the COM and this is what causes the club to release and the lead wrist to passively uncock.
What are the variables? This stuff doesn’t happen in a vacuum, so all I can see when I look at this sort of ‘scientific’ analysis are potential variables.
Weight of club - head and shaft, swingweight
Strength of golfers arms, hands, stomach, legs, etc., etc.
Height of golfer
Distance from ball to centre of rotation
Ball position
Etc., etc., the list seems endless.
Yet, all of this happens and only just prior to impact, every single time, the shaft kicks forward? How is that possible?
I ask why doesn’t it happen earlier, because I want to then ask why can’t it happen later. I asked about players that cast for that reason.
The club doesn’t know where the ball is, so why is this forward kick happening just at that specific moment (prior to impact) according to you, it seems, every single time? What if the ball position was changed mid swing? Would it then be struck with backward shaft flex?
Because in all golf swings the net force down at the ball is up and back in toward the golfer. The force is like the grip is being pulled off the club. It’s unavoidable because the club weighs 100+ effective pounds and the golfer and club are pulling against each other. The center of mass of the clubhead is behind the center of mass of the club and the two are seeking a straight line with each other and with the net force. The clubshaft is flexible so it bends as the center of mass of the clubhead seeks that in line condition.
When you start a motion with only 3 feet of “backswing” you don’t have the same pulling forces as a real good swing and you’re able to deliver force across the shaft in a linear fashion that isn’t similar to the forces and torques going on in a full motion.
‘At the ball’ this is the stuff I mean, that kind of stuff is being presented by you guys as a sort of constant, but it’s not there, theoretically, as far as the club knows.
‘The clubshaft is flexible’ that’s another one. How felxible? How does the weight on the end of it affect things? Larger weight, smaller weight? Swingweight? Length of the shaft?
So many variables that make those sorts of diagrams above seem quite watery.
It’s one thing saying that science can’t validate ABS stuff, but you guys don’t seem to be doing a very good job at using science to invalidate it either.
As far as the 3 feet of backswing goes, that’s not what I’m discussing.
