Yea, been trying to get a set of these. $59 for 3-E, good for the age.
Excellent. the link I sent you are of my hogans. I only have 3 thru 9. Great irons!
When re-shafting classics irons is it okay to use todayâs length for shafts in the iron. Will going with longer shafts affect the irons in any way? In what way will longer shafts affect the irons?
The longer the shaft, the higher the swingweight will be for a given clubhead. Not a problem, theyâll just feel heavier. The added shaft length will add some actual weight too.
We do want heavier swing weight; correct? You donât think longer shafts would make them too heavy do you?
Not at all. There wonât be much of a change, and what little change there will be should be beneficial.
Remebering from my clubfitters day, i do recall, that lengthening the shaft has the effect of making the club more upright. 1 inch over std makes the club 2 deg more upright. Thats from memory mind you
Steve
Thanks jrich and Steve.
With the extra length and change in lie angle it would be beneficial to check lie and have it adjusted if out of spec.
Also with the added weight, swing weight should also be checked and verified it within playing spec.
If no change was made to loft, would the longer shaft help with distance?
Would the longer shaft be a detriment to control and accuracy?
Itâll make them go higher, not quite as accurate and it makes the shaft effectively weaker.
I know you more than likely covered this in your Shaft Technolgy thread.
If loft doesnât change why would they go higher? Kick Point? Weight of head?
Why would shaft be weaker?
is it about the head design of the vintage blade?
When re-shafting a classic blade, and please correct me if I am wrong, it would be better to make the new shafts the same length as the original, all things considered.
No problem whatsoever, I dunno what combo exactly makes it go higher but it goes way higher when you lengthen them out. It gets effectively weaker because of the added dynamic weight of the head and the increased distance between the two ends of the club make the same bend in the kickpoint exaggerate itself. Think of it like when you increase the radius of a circle you increase the circumference by piRsq. The travel of the bend in the shaft is the circumference here so it gets way exaggerated by plugging the length of the shaft. Thereâs a lot of ways that small changes can bring exponential mathematical results unintendedly without knowing it, shot like this is why sometimes I think some of this hitter stuff gets really arrogant. You canât just decide that exponential math doesnât apply because youâve got a âcool guyâ protocol & a give 'em hell attitude.
Again I realize this may have already been covered, if so, I again apologize.
I do know I have to accept that Iâll never hit a persimmon 300 yards, or maybe I will, only time will tell. I couldnât hit one of todayâs frying pans 300, so what in the grand scheme of things does a 300 yard drive matter to me anyway. 
What should matter is hitting fairways and greens, becoming a ball striker and not being a hacker or a bomb and gouger.
What I have to do is quit concerning myself with distance and embrace control and accuracy. If I have control and accuracy I know Iâll have more fun and enjoy the game more. If I can keep the ball in play, carry on the Grand Tradition of golf as it should be played than that should be more rewarding than all the 300 drives and 180 yard sand wedge shots that any duffer will ever hit in any of their lifetimes.
Having said that - Someone mentioned that playing vintage irons off of Bermuda grass may prove to be more challenging than I may want to deal with. I have to admit Iâm adamant about playing vintage blades and persimmon woods. For me there is no turning back, yet there is some trepidation that vintage blades may not play well on todayâs courses.
I mean I understand that vintage irons have no bounce or very little bounce and that that must be considered. However, I feel, that with a flatter swing that that statement is not quite correct. Iâve been hitting a vintage iron at the range for over a month, Bermuda grass, and other than not being able to hit these clubs as far, again thats my issue and I have to get over it, the only major issues I have is that if I get steep I will hit fat and the iron will dig or if I donât hit close to the sweet spot the ball does not fly as I planned. But isnât that why we are all here? Too swing on a shallower plane, to game vintage irons, to improve accuracy and control, to hit the sweet spot more often and to keep what we feel is the Tradition of the Great Ball Strikers and real golf alive? And of course there are those of us who want to improve our ball striking so that when we do play in competition we smoke the course and lap the field and bring home all the money. Hey, Its all good!
How sad it would be if this great equipment couldnât be played because todayâs grasses are too plush for them.
i live in texas and most of the courses i play have thin bermuda fairways, even the nicer clubs. i think smaller heads with little bounce and thin soles
can be quite an advantage off that type of grass once you are comfortable with them. even my modern clubs (old srixon cavity backs) had zero bounce
in the short irons. i can also get a well struck persimmon driver rolling out nearly as far as i hit titanium or certainly far enough. i have never been able to get the big drivers to roll out for what ever reason. itâs also nice to have a little more gear effect on the driver, although new balls donât do it enough. i play mainly old munis where the trouble usually starts at 250 or the hole starts to bend so the frying pan was my least used club in the bag most days.
My home course is one where I may take the driver out three times, thats with 4 par 5âs. Only one carry across water and with my frying pan Iâm in the woods 4 out of times playing that darned hole anyway. I played my Hogan 1+ 8-PW on the course and while i was seriously under clubbed because I wasnât aware of how to use them correctly, I still hit them fine, nice and somewhat straight, just short. 
Best was using my Hogan persimmon 4 wood. What a great club, I was quite fine hitting that all day instead of driver.
To me personally, as I work on a flatter swing, I donât see anything wrong with playing vintage irons. To me they work better than the shovels Iâve been using. Well I do have muscle backs for the scoring irons in my regular set, which is now for sale by the way. Still you understand my meaning I hope. 
I have been using an ABS spec set of irons for 6mths. Powerbuit Levelumes, from 1959 i think.
They work spectacular.
Steve
Jesse,
With vintage irons, you are hitting the ball just as far or further. The only difference is the number on the bottom of the club.
From reading and reading and reading and learning here at ABS I am slowly getting that in to my thick headed brain.
A vintage PW is more like my 52 Wedge, little longer with vintage PW, 9I is more of my PW and 8I is 9I, give or take. I love the vintage blades and hate the new junk! Of course if you donât catch a vintage weapon pure you may not hit the shot you plaenned. But thats the whole idea, to become a better ball striker.
I wonder if there is a thread here or at Persimmon Golf Today that discusses the pros and cons of shaft replacement, lengthening of shafts for vintage irons, and what one should expect when you decide to take the plunge and start gaming these great tools, what grips remain true to the era or look of the vintage iron, so on and so forth. If there is not one complete article or thread devoted to that/those subject(s) there should be one thats for sure!
After some searching I found this great article at Persimmon Golf Today. Of course all you guys that have been here since the beginning are quite aware of PGT so this article should not be new to you guys, but for us newbâs and those just checking things out Iâm sure this will help.
persimmongolftoday.org/archives/637
Its interesting to note that my 7I-PW yardages are in line with Watsonâs yardages, may 5-10 yards shorter. Now in my longer clubs I am nowhere near as long, thats my poor technique, not the irons.
The more I explore this site the more I find. Good gracious, I could lose my wife and my job because of you guys!!! 
For those not familiar with Persimmon Golf Today I highly recommend you swing by the site and check it out.
Received an email the other day stating that âYou can now play like Web Simpsonâ, just purchase the same golf equipment that Simpson plays and youâll be able to win a U.S. Open is the not so subtle premise behind the email.
So, by just purchasing the latest and greatest I will improve as a golfer. Something is terribly wrong with that philosophy even though there are millions who subscribe to it.
Why not use a club that actually forces you to make a good swing and strike the ball as squarely and as near the sweet spot as possible?
What are the manufacturers or are we hiding? Well, we all know the answer to that question so I apologize for posting a rhetorical question. 
Why do you think players have club contracts that they get paid to play clubs. Even when it might be against their better performance, they take the money cause itâs $$$ in the bank guaranteed versus having to fight it out on the course. Iâm sure he got a bonus for winning from the club manufacturer(s). Putter contract check. Wedges contract check. Irons contract check. Driver/woods contract check. Shoe contract check. Clothing contract check. Five-hour energy drink contractâŚoops that was Furyk. Looks like he needed a double dose of that drink, five hours wasnât enough. 
Wait though, they might have their new five-hour guy.
Manufacturers have been doing that forever though. Not just golf clubs.
I remember when Ping came out with the copper beryllium irons and they were like $2000 in the early 90s. One thing I knew for sure, anyone playing those had way more $$$ than skill. I never saw anyone who owned them that even played to bogey golfer, but man you looked good until you had to swing em. Iâve never like Pings. The ugly offset and the giant toe/thumb sticking out with a thick topline. Funny thing was that back then I knew someone who worked at Ping (when they actually had the Phoenix plant) and could of gotten a brand new set for $500. Thatâs how much I couldnât stand looking at them.