Thank you so much for these info.
Just got a set of 1966 Macgregor Tourney irons in today. Had to post here how great they are. First set I have ever seen like it. They have the flatback design, meaning no split of the muscle behind the ball. The lower portion of the grooves made for hitting is covered in a strong black ceramic coating. MT going down the sides of the grooves in red, makes for a gangster looking set of sticks.
Have not hit them yet, but just picking them up and swinging them it is not hard to see how so many great strikers came from the old equipment. They are heavy since the hosel is much longer than new clubs, and all of the mass of the head is behind the hitting area instead of away from it. I think that I remember correctly that a longer hosel brings the sweetspot towards the heel, promoting an inside(4:30) swingpath to the ball. The edges are sharper than any new clubs I have hit, and there is no roll from the leading edge to the back edge, allowing only for shallow entry. Only correct hitting will produce a solid stike. Excited about these clubs because Iâm goin to hit them when off work. Will post pics as soon as I get them uploaded.
Did u purchase them from Lag? If not, are you going to ABS spec them? 
Courtesy of myselfâŚtwomastersâŚreward for his good play at County Am 2 weekends agoâŚfound on e-bayâŚgood looking sticks. i remember Lag had a set at his place.
The shafts are â1â so fine for flexâŚshaft length is a hair short but will sufficeâŚwe never got to checking the lofts and lies yet⌠but long irons are in the zoneâŚmid short irons may need to be dropped down a hair
Flatlies is very excited about these sticksâŚgotta love your clubs to be able to hit them well
Nice! Hope to see what they look like soon. Have you played with the copper faced ones before? How do they feel?
Yea bspeck, gotta thank Two for grabbin those classics for me. Went out and hit a couple with them. Stepped into the shop when done, and bent the lies down to ABS level. Goin to the course in the morning to feel how the entire set hits. Being Saturday it should be fun to see all the crazy looks on members faces since the course will be packed. The shafts are a little short, but they force me to stay down in module 2 through the ball. Have not had a chance to hit the copper face macgregors, but they are one of my favorite looking clubs.
Love the Flatbacks!
Enjoy and let them be a great teacher for you in their own right. Feedback is King! and youâre in good hands working with Bradley.
Your right Lag, these clubs donât let you get away with much. Think I was digging up gold hitting the first few balls with those sharp edges. Putting the set in the bag with the persimmons soon, and just found 180 balata balls on ebay for $30.
To make your clubs heavier should you put lead tape on the clubhead and under the grip?
Put as much of the weight as you can being the sweetspot on the clubhead. Then you can put about 1/2 and ounce down the shaft with lead or tungsten powder, then seal it off with a small cork pounded down in there. Re grip.
Or you can just find a good classic set of heads that were made correctly in the first place.
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i recently bought some old kroydon gene littlers off ebay. they are about 2 clubs shorter than my srixon cavity backs (the old 201âs).
the srixons hardly look high tech in this day in age, but they look twice as big as the kroydons.
i say 2 clubs shorter, i have not measured distances hit, but the kroydon 5 iron is the some loft and shaft length of the srixon
7 iron, which i found pretty interesting. the srixons are standard loft and length (at least for what srixon puts out)
the kroydons came with only with 3-9, now i know why, the 9 iron is the gap wedge!
i found an old titleist 2 iron at a thrift store and it matches up with the srixon 4 iron.
it got me thinking, when did club manufacturers jump the so called shark and make everything so strong?
then i remembered i had an old set of wilson staffs from the late 80âs (never been hit, supposedly andy beanâs grind) and
measured them against the kroydons & srixon. they fell right in between, ie- the wilson 6 iron was the same as the srixon
7 iron which is the same as the kroydon 5 iron.
so a long slow decline into technology fluff.
reminds me of tennis. i grew up playing tennis with wooden rackets, then all the graphite crap came and look at the sport now.
my kids canât tell me the name of one tennis player, but when i grew up mc enroe was a household name.
is golf headed down the same path? will lag and two masters save the sport? 
Too true there kirkschwart! The same technology thing happened to racquetball. Small headed aluminum or wood headed racquets and then carbon fiber, larger heads, strange string patterns, etc. I was away from the game in college and came back to it 15 years later and didnât recognize a thing. All powerâŚlow percentage kill shotsâŚboring ceiling volleys. The finesse was not as apparent and there was an appalling lack of strategy being employed by most players.
I was an âAâ player in High School and they put me in a âCâ league because Iâd been away for a while. That lasted 2 weeks. Moved to âBââŚthat lasted 2 weeks. Itâs tough to hang with the Aâs now because Iâm just not as fast anymore, but they all enjoy playing me because (for me) itâs more about a chess match than Australian dick wrestling!
Captain Chaos
YES!!! 
Oh lord, CaptainâŚ
Please tell us that isnât really a sportâŚIâm afraid to look. 
jrich99 - no need to look. Hereâs a snapshot of when I was competitive:
1987 - Heineken Melbourne Intâl Invitational
Bantam Dinkies Menâs Division (small)
Gold - Kyu-Jin Choi (Korea)
Silver - Shujin Li (China)
Bronze - Tarik Belmanai (France)
Middle-Menâs Division (average)
Gold - Arslan Abdullinokov (Russia)
Silver - David Karecinski (Poland)
Bronze - Thor Nyblom (Denmark)
Heavy-weight Division (large)
Gold - Phillip Sanders (USA)
Silver - Adam Cook (AUS)
Bronze - Edgar Venckaitis (Lithuania)
Super-Heavy Division (tank-crankers)
Gold - Captain Chaos (USA)
Silver - Dmytro Pyshkovski (Ukraine)
Bronze - Rasmusan Tjorstad (Norway)
I got out of it when the league started introducing cage matches. 
Captain Chaos
Here is a re-run regarding some of Johnny Millerâs old ironsâŚhis results, and what happened when he switched. You asked;
This doesnât really answer your questionâŚI think Tony Penna was the first to start making lofts stronger, and that was just one degree⌠but I still wonder if I wouldnât be better off with the old shorter length shafts, rather than trying to squeeze out every last millimeter distance by using longer ones. Wouldnât that help in fighting centrifugal force?
That article by Johnny Miller is very good, Iâm gonna post some quotes that strike me, as what he says echoes what we see here, or vice versa:
He was knocking pins down with clubs made around 1950. What does that tell us?
Ballstriker. That was a Moe metricâŚnumber of pins hit.
So if he shoots 63 to win the US Open with these yardagesâŚWHY IN THE WORLD do I worry about hitting my irons farther than this??? Stupid me.
eagle
Eagle,
yes i remember those miller stories. hacking off the hosels, awesome. iâm going to bust out my
sawz-all and do that to a set just for kicks.
i know he annoys people but i love his broadcasting, always have, always will.
iâd love to see him do the masters just once. hope not to offend anyone but i pretty much turn the sound down on
the cbs crew.
i remember watching miller win pebble beach in 93 or 94 with calloway everything, i bet he even had a big bertha pocket knife.
comes down from the booth, wins a tournament, back to the booth. i bet there was some guys kicking their lockers that
day.
The physics of all this stuff havenât changed. Golf really is a feel game⌠and you simply cannot feel the clubhead as well with light gear. Itâs just common sense. Heavier clubs also offer better distance control and less flyers happening.
Flatter gear has accuracy advantages if you learn a few basics. The majority of golf shots require accuracy.
Whether the clubs were made in 1935 or 2012⌠it really doesnât matter. The reason many of the great strikers played flatter heavier gear void of offset were for good reasons. Itâs excellent technology. New doesnât mean better⌠it just means new. It may or may not be better or worse.
I like the technological advantages of stiff, flat and heavy. Heavier shafts give more tangible and reliable feedback also. My brain also likes the very dynamic feedback from cleaner blades.
I like good technology, and playing the game in a harmonious way in which the golf course was originally intended⌠so that the meeting of my gear and the course are consistent and make sense on both ends.
Going out and shooting 66 with persimmon and blades means a lot more to me than if I did the same thing hitting wedge into every hole and mid irons into par 5âs.
The golf balls are awful these days⌠and I donât see them to be an advantage. I donât feel they fly much farther than the old balatas off persimmon. I suspect the new rock balls are designed to interact with titanium, bigger grooves and milled faces.
I hope we can get a new golf ball made that spins similar to balata. It would be really fun to think ahead on how the ball is going to spin and move around on the greens. I miss working the ball into tight pin placements the way we used to do via shot shaping.
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I posted about the Hogan 1+ Bounce sole irons I found at a thrift store. After much soul searching I am intent on these being my everyday gamers. Currently they have Hogan Apex 3 shafts in them, I know the shafts are old and not right for my swing.
I have had the 8 and 9 irons re-gripped and love how a they feel when I make what I think is decent contact with the ball. I love the Hogans. I just donât ever want to hit my Wishons again to be honest, nothing against the Wishonâs theyâre great irons, they just ainât the Hogans!
With all the talk of heavier stiffer shafts, what would be the best shaft for the 1+ heads? My club fitter is suggesting KBS Tour Stiff, which is what is in my current gamers.
Question: What would some of you suggest, KBS Tour Stiff, like my current setup or KBS Tour X-Stiff or something else?
I dont think you can go wrong with Dynamic Golds, much cheaper than KBS and easily as good imo.