Lynn Blake's TGM Pattern Golf Swing

Public Forum—Concepts in Advanced Ball Striking
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Jamie Sadlowski is a BEAST! He conserves more power (rather than leaking it) during his downswing than anyone I have ever seen.

As far as the head is concerned in the golf swing I have come to one conclusion for sure: It HAS to stay behind the ball on the downswing (hence, axis tilt) and into impact for a properly struck full shot. The head moving around otherwise where someone can CLAIM it is the REASON something UNDESIRED occurred in a particular attempt to hit a golf ball is probably just a side-effect ( Lag may prefer vapor trail) of what ACTUALLY went wrong (i.e. poor balance, reverse pivot, etc.). There are too many examples of great ball strikers moving their head to some extent (and repeatably) to even argue the point anymore. I think the real question to answer is WHY does the head HAVE to move to some extent in order to accommodate the other movements in the swings of the great ball strikers that we use as models?

I mean, Steve Stricker proves you don’t even have to cock the wrists to win on the PGA Tour but is that the swing we are looking to have? Probably not here at ABS. :astonished:

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Bagger - excellent point. The reason the head must move is because it sits on top of our spine, and we have to Pivot to hit a golf ball well, as the Pivot moves through three dimensions, the head must float along for the ride. I prefer the term “steady head”, not stationary and also not too much movement either. If the golfer is pivoting correctly, the head will move within a very small space, and very little from p3-p4. Inflexible endomorph body type players will thus always have more head movement, especially on the backswing, then flexible ones.

Head/upper swing center at top of sternum/base of neck staying behind the ball until after impact is a true Law of Body Motion.

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Good points Bagger and BP
Another issue is the constant rant you hear on the golf course "Oh I lifted my head/I peaked/had a look etc etc; as if that is an optional component. With Lag’ s instructions I have noticed that when I strike the ball real good I actually feel that I have to make an effort to lift the head to be able to see the ball flight.

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We won’t be seeing a lot of head movement like BPGS1 said from P3 to P4… we should be well situated from the P3 launch pad by then… ground pressures loaded, pivot, wrists and forearms rotated… ready for the strike like a panther. Calm before the storm…

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Maybe a bit late for this, but I took a quick look at Lynn’s swing - it looks fine to me. I don’t know his age but he looks early sixties, if that guess is accurate, given the usually inevitable loss of flexibility and low back issues from many years of golf, I think he is doing very well. He does hunch his upper spine too much through impact, drops his chin a bit, and comes up out of forward spine angle or hip flexion a bit too much and too early. Everything else looks good, very good lateral hip shift to start Transition and good balance too.

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My initial impression of the posted clip was good tempo, legs are moving vertically to an extent, total commitment to horizontal hinging, and good ball contact with a swinger’s divot. Finish maybe a bit stiff looking but he’s no spring chicken.

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In Hogan’s 5 lessons:-…THE SHOULDERS. You want to turn the shoulders as far around as they’ll go. (Your head, of course, remains stationary.)

Is that funny when almost 100% viewer can see the head movement in Hogan swing? No need from the man saying “it is easy to see if I tell you where to look”.

Why???
Why???
Why???

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I asked a second opionion, or I should say the opinion from the man himself regarding Lag’s comment on right arm/hand stuff…here is the ogrinial quote for reference:-

Hi KOC,

Don’t have time to get involved on that site, but you might want to post this in my behalf as some Yoda “guidance from afar.”

Regarding lagpressure’s most recent post (Oct 22 at 10:52 pm), he is referring to the Homer Kelley quote (from 1-F): “And variations in Elbow Bend and/or location during Release will disturb Clubface control by the Right Arm, making it an inferior procedure.”

Unfortunately, lagpressure has completely missed the boat when he states:

“His [Homer’s] quote is clearly referring to release… which your altered definition seems to drift from. In this context I completely agree with Homer… Straightening the ELBOW which would lead me to believe this is referring to DRIVING THE RIGHT FOREARM through release… IS NOT AN IDEAL METHODOLOGY.”
In no way was that Homer’s intent. In fact, one of the major concepts presented in 1-F is the use of the Right Arm and Hand to sense and control ClubHEAD acceleration.

Let’s set the facts straight:

In the posted quote from 1-F, Homer is directly referencing CLUBFACE CONTROL by the right arm and the reason why using it for that purpose is inferior. Instead, the alternative use of the Left Wrist (and its Hinge Action Control) is much preferred.

Homer tried for a long time to put Clubhead and Clubface control in the same hand – left or right, he didn’t care – but found that the assignments must be divided between the two hands: the Left for ClubFACE control and the right for ClubHEAD control.

That’s why he says in 1-F:

“You will save yourself much anguish by using the Right Hand just for sensing and controlling acceleration and the Left Hand just for sensing and controlling alignments. Right Hand – Clubhead. Left Hand – Clubface.”
He said that because he himself had already “anguished” plenty over the problem (of putting both Clubhead and Clubface control into one hand or the other) and found it couldn’t be done. At least not as effectively.

Homer emphasized that fact when he further stated in 6-B-1-0 (First Power Accumulator) that the Right Elbow is responsible for the activities of the #3 Accumulator Motion . . .

“. . . but not the actual Clubface aligning”.
Here he references his comment in 1-F. So clearly, that was his intention with his “inferior procedure” statement in 1-F.

Finally, see also 2-H where he is discussing the Right Shoulder:

“Variations in its Impact location will vary the Right Elbow’s Impact Bend and so may alter the Impact Alignment of the Clubface.”
Hope this helps to put things back on track.

End quote.

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OH NO- here we go with TGM quotes.
Lag could eat the book and crap it out in a better sequence than many try to present it.
Lag didn’t just read it. He lived it. He played it. He is not off the mark- why do people drop out quotes like John 4:16
It’s a book with a yellow cover on it and a man’s attempt at realizing a golf swing- Homer’s ideas may have worked in the park- did they work on the tour?

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KOC:

Since I play golf with both hands on the club, I train them both to be strong, with each knowing their path or passage way.

I can hit the ball equally well with either arm. Distance and accuracy.

Here is the experiment…

If you straighten your right elbow into impact swinging with just the right arm, and I do the same thing swinging with just the right arm, but I keep my elbow locked firm through impact from about P3 to P4… I’m going to take all your lunch money… :sunglasses:

If Homer’s intention was to assign the right elbow only for sensing velocity or acceleration, then he clearly didn’t think this one through or I will take his lunch money also. :astonished:

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Certainly Hogan’s right elbow had some bend in it pre impact… and here after impact also…
The intention here is to minimize right arm movement through releasing of the club through impact…
why?

Because as Homer said… “It’s an inferior procedure”

I’m sticking up for Homer here…

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I remember a post by Lynn Blake saying that Hogan’s swing pattern is not included in TGM and termed him as a “Rotary Pusher”; also claiming he had seen Hogan’s personal clubs with the description prettty much as we know it from Lag.
KOC, can you please ask LBG as to why TGM does not have a pattern for the game’s all time premier ball striker and why does he not teach this “Rotary Push”.

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Lag is spot on in his idea about the right arm angle. I had a private informal lesson on this very issue from Tom Weiskopf in 1977 and he told me that Hogan told him that keeping the right arm bent at about a 45 degree angle from p3 to just after impact was his famous “Secret” - or one of them anyways! The amount of control you get over both impact and the flight of the ball when you do this is nothing short of incredible. Most top ballstrikers from the 20’s through the early sixties did it this way: Hogan, Nelson, Bolt, Snead, Demaret, Middlecof. For one thing, it is very tough to release the wrist cock angles too early when you keep some right arm angle. Kind of an insurance policy against early release.

Why anyone would accept pro forma as evidence of objective truth “because Homer said so” or because he tested it hitting balls on the range and came to this conclusion is beyond ridiculous. It is merely a subjective opinion of a 15 handcapper who apparently got better ball flight when his conscious mind was focused on his right hand sensing clubhead and left sensing clubface. All that tells us is that this opinion reinforced itself. And the rest of us are supposed to buy into this? I know that clarity is important and that is certainly one way a golfer can learn control, but to say that both cannot be achieved in one hand or even reversing the hands is absurd. Faldo talks all the time about sensing clubface angle with his right palm. Johnny Miller uses either hand for same kind of control.

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Macs - you cannot be serious! Everybody knows that the Holy Yellow Book includes ALL conceivably possible swing pattens within it’s hallowed pages…

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BP Trust me I did not make this up. I will try to find the reference from LBG.

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Sorry above two posts. I went back to the source. It was actually in of Arnie’s post and there is some confusion weather the following qoute is by Lynn Blake or Blake Burleson. Sorry for the inaccurate qoute. Arnie can you please bail me out. :blush:

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Seriously - Hogan was a Spinner, or right side rotary pusher, same thing, except he used his left side too, its not optional, you must use both sides. I very much doubt that Lynn Blake would say Hogan is not in the Book.

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I certainly would more than welcome any TGM experts to come here and discuss things… and I mean that with all due respect.

Daryl or anyone who is a first rate expert on the book… very open here… I love to be told I am wrong… I’ve been telling myself that for 30 years… :unamused:

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Mac this was a quote from Blake Burlesdon (BurleyGolf) posted on Lyn Blakes forum a while back.

Thanks, Arnie

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Certainly Homer stated clearly in 6-A-4…

“It is important to keep in mind this “normal” position of the Arms-that until after the Follow-through, the Left Arm is never bent, the Right Arm is never straight…”

why?

I’m sticking up here too!